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2013-05-01
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Originally Posted by jalyst
At most admins can only see who didn't vote but nobody can see how people voted. Your vote is confidential and only you once completed your vote are issued with a random token which isn't printed or saved anywhere.
Apologies, it may be due to my fatigue (LOTS happening IRL lately)...
But I'm having problems making 100% sense of your sentence structure (above).
I don't suppose you could explain again, but slightly more concisely if possible?
Thanks regardless for your efforts thus far....
The system is pretty secure and anonymous this way
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2013-05-01
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Correct. As noted by Joerg, one could tell from the unused tokens who voted and who didn't, There's no way to tell who voted for what though, unless they make their post-vote token public. Also, as elections end and their results are stored, election tokens tend to get wiped out, since they're no longer useful and take up space. So after that, it's not even possible to tell who did or didn't vote.
So it's 100% not possible (even for admins) to tell: (1) who voted, & (2) for what?
Originally Posted by shawnjefferson
Incorrect. The voting page most certainly does confirm your vote, twice. If you hit next without selecting anything it states "You have opted to not vote for any of the candidates." This is a valid option for those that want to vote but dislike all potential candidates. That page indicates you must approve the action in the same way you would a normal vote; by hitting the "Next" button again to cast the vote and get your unique verify value.
One "problem", is that the voting app doesn't confirm your vote..
If you didn't get a confirmation string (~20 characters) your vote didn't cast, and your vote token is still valid. At any time before you get that 20 character string, you can re-start. It's setup that way in case your browser or network has an issue and disconnects you mid-vote.
The creation of your vote and destruction of your voting token is an atomic action. Meaning if anything goes wrong, your vote token is still valid and can be used to vote later, once the problem has been resolved.
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2013-05-04
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Incorrect. The voting page most certainly does confirm your vote, twice. If you hit next without selecting anything it states "You have opted to not vote for any of the candidates." This is a valid option for those that want to vote but dislike all potential candidates. That page indicates you must approve the action in the same way you would a normal vote; by hitting the "Next" button again to cast the vote and get your unique verify value.
If you didn't get a confirmation string (~20 characters) your vote didn't cast, and your vote token is still valid. At any time before you get that 20 character string, you can re-start. It's setup that way in case your browser or network has an issue and disconnects you mid-vote.
The creation of your vote and destruction of your voting token is an atomic action. Meaning if anything goes wrong, your vote token is still valid and can be used to vote later, once the problem has been resolved.
It's sort of academic now I suppose, and I have no way to double check. Oh well, thanks for the information anyway!
Edit: After doing a test with the test vote Joerg set up, I guess I must have clicked past the confirmation screen. No excuses, the voting system is really pretty easy, but I did have some screaming kids in the background.
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2013-05-05
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Scarily enough, I got my token, voted, and can only wish for the best in the near future.
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2013-05-05
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Originally Posted by shawnjefferson
Simply try to vote again! Either your token is still valid which means you didn't vote yet, or your token is not valid anymore which means you voted and just missed the confirmation token, for whatever reasons. There's a gap when your vote got executed on voting engine but you closed your browser meanwhile or you got disconnected, so the resulting confirmation token can't get sent out to you. We can't do much about that gap. Anyway there's no chance whatsoever that your token got invalidated without the voting engine recording your vote exactly the way you've chosen. The confirmation token is just for transparency, basically a convenience thing, not anything you or we (techstaff, admins) could do anything with, like reverting your vote or whatever.
I'm sure you are probably right about this, but I do not remember getting to the confirmation string step. I'm pretty sure (but didn't take screenshots and there's no way to go back and see now), that once I saw "you deciced to vote for no one", I clicked the back button in my browser.
It's sort of academic now I suppose, and I have no way to double check. Oh well, thanks for the information anyway!
Honestly even if somebody would claim that the confirmation token points to a ballot that is not the one he chosen to vote like, there's nothing we could do. If 10 people would claim same thing, we would urgently need to investigate and just redo the whole election/referendum.
Thanks for voting!
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please also see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...76#post1341376, I created a toy err TEST election for you, so you can practice and check out things without peril to mess up your actual votes.
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2013-05-06
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I just had a play on the Test Election, and tried the Get Token button whilst I was there. Within 5 minutes I was sent my token! Good stuff.
As I've already voted in the proper elections I can't test the Get Token button there, but in the automated email I was sent for the Test Election, there are fields that need to be filled out:
As I've already voted in the proper elections I can't test the Get Token button there, but in the automated email I was sent for the Test Election, there are fields that need to be filled out:
Dear mrsellout,
The election of [REPLACE THIS] is now open, and
you have received this email as you are eligible to vote.
The [REPLACE THIS] consists of [#] members who will serve
a [#] month term. You can learn more about the candidates at:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=[#####]
CANDIDATES
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A full list of candidates and their reasons for running can be found at:
http://wiki.maemo.org/[REPLACE THIS]/Candidate_declarations
HOW TO VOTE
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Your voting credentials are:
URL: http://maemo.org/vote/
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2013-05-07
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That's just because it's a test election. You are seeing the boilerplate email we have to fill out each time we create a new election.
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But I'm having problems making 100% sense of your sentence structure (above).
I don't suppose you could explain again, but slightly more concisely if possible?
Thanks regardless for your efforts thus far....
Last edited by jalyst; 2013-05-01 at 15:41.