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To be honest, as an American I can't say that I blame Marc Dillon in that one area. The North American carriers have way too much power over their customers.
I don't disagree with him one bit.
I don't disagree with him one bit.
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2014-09-26
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Well, they could launch on a smaller carrier with good coverage like US Cellular for example. (or else a community focused carrier like Cincinnati Bell)
To be honest, as an American I can't say that I blame Marc Dillon in that one area. The North American carriers have way too much power over their customers.
I don't disagree with him one bit.
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2014-09-26
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Originally Posted by vistaus
Cincinnati Bell was bought out by Verizon. A lot of these smaller carriers are just waiting to be bought out.
Well, they could launch on a smaller carrier with good coverage like US Cellular for example. (or else a community focused carrier like Cincinnati Bell)
And that does not alter the point that the US carriers lord over their customers buy options by expecting vendors to come with some incentive. Those types of incentives would be prohibitively expensive for such a small company like Jolla.
Regardless, Jolla would have to retool their devices to support the US data frequencies. And this is the land of patent trolls waiting to hit any company, especially agile companies with good ideas. Can't have that, now can they?
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Oh, didn't know that about Bell. But US Cellular has been operating for years now and their pretty nice to work with (or so I heard). So Jolla could poke if they are interested.
Retooling isn't necessary. Jolla phone 2 is supposedly in the works, at least on paper, and it will support US frequencies (at least, newer modems do support worldwide frequencies so...).
Retooling isn't necessary. Jolla phone 2 is supposedly in the works, at least on paper, and it will support US frequencies (at least, newer modems do support worldwide frequencies so...).
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2014-09-26
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Originally Posted by vistaus
Some of their market was sold to Sprint. Give it time, as the #5 US carrier, they'd still require some alterations (see below) for full support.
Oh, didn't know that about Bell. But US Cellular has been operating for years now and their pretty nice to work with (or so I heard).
So Jolla could poke if they are interested.
Retooling isn't necessary.
Jolla phone 2 is supposedly in the works, at least on paper, and it will support US frequencies (at least, newer modems do support worldwide frequencies so...).
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2014-09-26
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Well, BB just got 200.000 American pre-orders. That's a lot for BB. So yes, there is a market for something new and different.
I'd love to use the Jolla phone in the States as well.
Tinkerers is a wrong statement. I'm not a tinkerer in any technical kind of way and I don't know the inner workings of a computer all that well (I know a bit of Linux because I use it since 2008, but I'm still kind of a noob after all these years lol). But still I manage to use the Jolla phone on a daily basis. So no, you don't need be tech-savvy to use the Jolla phone.
Also: don't put things out of context. The "retooling isn't necessary" statement wasn't about the current Jolla phone but about the Jolla phone 2 which I mentioned in the sentence thereafter.
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I'd love to use the Jolla phone in the States as well.
Tinkerers is a wrong statement. I'm not a tinkerer in any technical kind of way and I don't know the inner workings of a computer all that well (I know a bit of Linux because I use it since 2008, but I'm still kind of a noob after all these years lol). But still I manage to use the Jolla phone on a daily basis. So no, you don't need be tech-savvy to use the Jolla phone.
Also: don't put things out of context. The "retooling isn't necessary" statement wasn't about the current Jolla phone but about the Jolla phone 2 which I mentioned in the sentence thereafter.
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2014-09-27
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What I've read the reasons why Jolla don't plan to launch in USA is not only linked to missing a proper carrier and lack of proper frequency support, but also that they're a small company that don't want to waste resources dealing the patent resources which I think is a good choose.
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Originally Posted by vistaus
I'm happy for BB, actually. I owned a Z10 and almost stayed with it until I had other issues.
Well, BB just got 200.000 American pre-orders. That's a lot for BB. So yes, there is a market for something new and different.
Tinkerers is a wrong statement.
I'm not a tinkerer in any technical kind of way and I don't know the inner workings of a computer all that well (I know a bit of Linux because I use it since 2008, but I'm still kind of a noob after all these years lol). But still I manage to use the Jolla phone on a daily basis. So no, you don't need be tech-savvy to use the Jolla phone.
n00b or not, you're still ahead of most of corporate America.
Also: don't put things out of context. The "retooling isn't necessary" statement wasn't about the current Jolla phone but about the Jolla phone 2 which I mentioned in the sentence thereafter.
(1) Jolla 1 won't work in the US; it requires retooling.
(2) Their current focus would require retooling and thus the newer, hypothesized "Jolla 2" phone would have to be targeted to work here in the US.
If you meant 1, then my statement stands. If you meant 2, my statement still stands. Jolla will have to enter this market for their phones to work here. I've been dismantling why they ever should enter the North American market in all of my statements above.
Make no mistake about it. I suffer due to why they're not here in the US. But I actually do understand why they're not here. And for very real reasons - this market is not the easiest to enter, nor the best place. The emerging markets like China, India, Africa, Russia, et al are better suited for growth than the stagnant market in the US. My statements stand.
Marc Dillon's statements stand as well. And I agree with him. It's either Samsung or Apple here for the majority of consumers here.
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2014-09-27
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The U.S. market is not on the radar as yet, as he says the patent landscape there “raises a barrier” of entry to newcomers. (He’s especially critical of overly aggressive use of design patents.) “At some point as we move along I’m sure we’ll go into the U.S. market but it’s not one of our first starts,” he adds.
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"But Dillon is emphatic that it will not reach the US anytime soon, because of the “ridiculous” smartphone patent wars that are currently being waged there between Samsung and Apple."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-or-cheap.html