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2018-05-13
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Originally Posted by pichlo
It's the domain part of Michael's email address
X-Mobile? Who or what is that? Has that been mentioned before? Did I miss something?
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2018-05-13
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
Let me check with the legal consultant first and I will forward as much as it can be posted. It's quite a lot of information.
What are the other lawsuits about? I'm wondering if that might tell us if they are scammers or just incompetent...
Some of them can already be found online, for example this on last November. Although the content was hidden but can be viewed after logging in.
There are quite a few others which I am checking and will be shared at a later stage.
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2018-05-14
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Well dang. I had high hopes, exercised caution, showed optimism only for it to fail.
Personally, this probably will be my very last attempt to support any of these kind of endeavors. If it is not ready to ship, I will treat it as vaporware.
My lack of trust is only for hardware manufacturers that have not proven themselves quite yet. The community has earned that respect.
Personally, this probably will be my very last attempt to support any of these kind of endeavors. If it is not ready to ship, I will treat it as vaporware.
My lack of trust is only for hardware manufacturers that have not proven themselves quite yet. The community has earned that respect.
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2018-05-14
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The lesson i finally learn is, you can absolutely fail with best intentions in mind.
In my business life, i reported to investors weekly and to even get their attention and trust to start with, we agreed on phases and goals to be reached, bound to prospected amounts of investment money to be released.
The main problem for the future is practicabillity.
Dealing with one or two investors is hard enough and i do not see how we as a loose community could pull off an escrow like system to make such things happen our even take control of anything.
Business wise, the one who should provide this service and really has to learn its lesson to make their business future proof is indigogo and alikes. Also, that's the adress you all should put your grime as this is propably the only party still making profit under any circumstances.
More control/rules on crowdfunding sites would have aided in both cases. An overambitious and pink-glass wearing youyota would have realized much earlier that selfset goals are unreachable, protecting them from lying to themselfes. A fraudulent youyota could have called out, or "system inherently" stopped much earlier.
Last edited by mosen; 2018-05-14 at 09:12.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Still some more differentiation is possible. I would support a project that learned the same lesson and finally treats community investors as what they are, brave high risc investors.
Personally, this probably will be my very last attempt to support any of these kind of endeavors. If it is not ready to ship, I will treat it as vaporware.
In my business life, i reported to investors weekly and to even get their attention and trust to start with, we agreed on phases and goals to be reached, bound to prospected amounts of investment money to be released.
The main problem for the future is practicabillity.
Dealing with one or two investors is hard enough and i do not see how we as a loose community could pull off an escrow like system to make such things happen our even take control of anything.
Business wise, the one who should provide this service and really has to learn its lesson to make their business future proof is indigogo and alikes. Also, that's the adress you all should put your grime as this is propably the only party still making profit under any circumstances.
More control/rules on crowdfunding sites would have aided in both cases. An overambitious and pink-glass wearing youyota would have realized much earlier that selfset goals are unreachable, protecting them from lying to themselfes. A fraudulent youyota could have called out, or "system inherently" stopped much earlier.
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2018-05-14
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Originally Posted by mosen
The lesson i finally learn is, you can absolutely fail with best intentions in mind.
Still some more differentiation is possible. I would support a project that learned the same lesson and finally treats community investors as what they are, brave high risc investors.
In my business life, i reported to investors weekly and to even get their attention and trust to start with, we agreed on phases and goals to be reached, bound to prospected amounts of investment money to be released.
The main problem for the future is practicabillity.
Dealing with one or two investors is hard enough and i do not see how we as a loose community could pull of an escrow like system to make such things happen our even take control of anything.
Business wise, the one who should provide this service and really has to learn its lesson to make their business future proof is indigogo and alikes. Also, that's the adress you all should put your grime as this is propably the only party still making profit under any circumstances.
More control/rules on crowdfunding sites would have aided in both cases. An overambitious and pink glass wearing youyota would have realized much earlier that even early selfset goals are unreachable, protecting them from lying to themselfes. A fraudulent youyota could have called out, our "system inherently" stopped much earlier.
I can only agree; transparency is what makes a high-risk transaction (like the tablet for instance) more realistic. Also, investors (if you have found the right ones) might even be able to "pull strings" and help.
It sounds to me hard to believe that the authors of this campain would not step forward and just say "no go due to XXX"; that would have been an easy way out to settle things and manage expectations (I mean failing is an option).
My point here being; is it *really* so hard to produce 4000 tablets which run SFOS nowadays (which is likely given the old cpu's); or is it just an excuse?
EDIT: I guess what Jolla could do, is to release under the Creative commons the tablet design?
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2018-05-14
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I followed this topic with close attention form the beggining, one of the things I thought it was wrong was the fact that they iirc initially targeted 1000 units but then the factory asked for a minimun of 3000 unit production, this sounds like a big fail to me. Then the memory prices gonne up. I really dont know how production and selling hardware works, but shouldnt they get some kind of pre contract with the factory and material supplier before they launch the igg campaing ? Also imho flexible funding seems wrong to this kind of campain, fixed funding would have been more transparent. Because all the tablet schmatic was done, it was the same from Jolla, all they needed was to reach the minimum of backers to fill the factory minimum batch production.
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2018-05-14
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Originally Posted by john_god
I think what happened was they expected.a bigger user base / igg backers base.
I followed this topic with close attention form the beggining, one of the things I thought it was wrong was the fact that they iirc initially targeted 1000 units but then the factory asked for a minimun of 3000 unit production, this sounds like a big fail to me. Then the memory prices gonne up. I really dont know how production and selling hardware works, but shouldnt they get some kind of pre contract with the factory and material supplier before they launch the igg campaing ? Also imho flexible funding seems wrong to this kind of campain, fixed funding would have been more transparent. Because all the tablet schmatic was done, it was the same from Jolla, all they needed was to reach the minimum of backers to fill the factory minimum batch production.
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2018-05-14
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Originally Posted by tortoisedoc
But then the procedure should be "sorry we failed rather than we will blend it somehow, stay tuned!"
I think what happened was they expected.a bigger user base / igg backers base.
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2018-05-14
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Originally Posted by Wolda
You will probobly not see that. IF you look att Jolla campaign and how they handle it was pretty much the same. Better to keep, use the money and Staling and stal some more and less people care. It’s been years and the campaign is still not closed. It took planty of months for jolla before they communicated anything. Not even me cares anymore. I’m waiting for the final countdown from jolla any day now. Sad but true...
But then the procedure should be "sorry we failed rather than we will blend it somehow, stay tuned!"
Anyhow...
Sorry to see this failed campaign even if I expected this outcome.
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