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2013-10-20 , 10:00
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#1361
Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Yes, I would call it that
jalyst's point is that the summer ship date was unrealistic, and thus a push back to the winter was not so much a delay as it was a more pragmatic acceptance of reality.
 

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2013-10-20 , 10:03
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#1362
Originally Posted by strongm View Post
jalyst's point is that the summer ship date was unrealistic, and thus a push back to the winter was not so much a delay as it was a more pragmatic acceptance of reality.
So what does it matter? you can't handle the word delay or what? give me a another word that you can handle and we go with that. Don't have time to argue about nothing.

Unrealistic release plan?
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2013-10-20 , 10:05
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#1363
Originally Posted by strongm View Post
jalyst's point is that the summer ship date was unrealistic, and thus a push back to the winter was not so much a delay as it was a more pragmatic acceptance of reality.
And they had to change the SoC supplier from ST-Ericsson to Qualcomm.
http://wpsailors.com/2013/10/12/ther...r-will-happen/
http://www.hs.fi/tekniikka/Jolla+hal...?ref=hs-top4-2
 

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2013-10-20 , 10:21
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And that is not a bad thing as afaik the open source freedreno driver for snapdragon socs is the best open driver for mobile devices.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQ2MjE

Edit: Seems to support Wayland too (or at least will):
https://github.com/freedreno/mesa/tr...rs/egl/wayland
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2013-10-20 , 10:37
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#1365
Although they said their GPU drivers will be the Android ones through libhybris.
I also wonder what kind of driver support the other Snapdragon chips subsystems (video acceleration, wlan/bluetooth etc.) have? Do they need to be run through libhybris aswell or is there real Linux drivers for them either?

I think there was some kind of specific additions for libhybris to support android GPS system/drivers.

[edit] Just asked this on IRC, and according to Stskeeps (Carsten Munk) all the Snapdragon drivers will be through libhybris.
Not really suprising considering the driver support from Qualcomm.

13:44 < DeeGee> Btw, is there any snapdragon drivers on linux (except for freedreno)? Or will all the drivers be through libhybris?
13:44 < Stskeeps> libhybris - long story short, there's more to life than code
13:46 < Stskeeps> if you're in need of support and bugfixes, or fancy things like patent licensing or trademark usage..
13:46 < Stskeeps> then it's good to use the drivers provided by your vendor
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2013-10-20 , 11:51
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#1366
Originally Posted by xerxes2 View Post
And that is not a bad thing as afaik the open source freedreno driver for snapdragon socs is the best open driver for mobile devices.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQ2MjE

Edit: Seems to support Wayland too (or at least will):
https://github.com/freedreno/mesa/tr...rs/egl/wayland
Originally Posted by DeeGee View Post
Although they said their GPU drivers will be the Android ones through libhybris.
I also wonder what kind of driver support the other Snapdragon chips subsystems (video acceleration, wlan/bluetooth etc.) have? Do they need to be run through libhybris aswell or is there real Linux drivers for them either?

I think there was some kind of specific additions for libhybris to support android GPS system/drivers.

[edit] Just asked this on IRC, and according to Stskeeps (Carsten Munk) all the Snapdragon drivers will be through libhybris.
Not really suprising considering the driver support from Qualcomm.

Yep thats most logical, that they use Android drivers and libhybris for the most part. Going some "not yet ready opensource driver that may "soon" support wayland" is not a good idea for Jolla.

Especially not when they already work 16hours/day to get the device out ASAP.
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2013-10-20 , 16:13
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#1367
Originally Posted by strongm View Post
jalyst's point is that the summer ship date was unrealistic, and thus a push back to the winter was not so much a delay as it was a more pragmatic acceptance of reality.
Not quite, but close, Tissot filled in the gaps...

Originally Posted by xerxes2 View Post
And that is not a bad thing as afaik the open source freedreno driver for snapdragon socs is the best open driver for mobile devices.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQ2MjE
Edit: Seems to support Wayland too (or at least will):
https://github.com/freedreno/mesa/tr...rs/egl/wayland
Yes, looking increasingly like luck smiled on them with that "delay".
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2013-10-20 , 17:38
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#1368
Would like to give jolla a sailfish suggestion. I hope they are adding onscreen videorecording. That would give them an edge since the web would be flooded With cool user videos.plus its a cool and unusual feature...
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2013-10-20 , 18:35
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Would like to give jolla a sailfish suggestion. I hope they are adding onscreen videorecording. That would give them an edge since the web would be flooded With cool user videos.plus its a cool and unusual feature...
That "new" feature CyanogenMod is bragging about on Android? N9Tweak can do it. Heck, you can do it from command line. A bit of GStreamer magic, and presto. Sailfish also uses gstreamer, so while you might not get a fancy app for it, making screen recordings is certainly feasible and quite easy.
 

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Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic View Post
That "new" feature CyanogenMod is bragging about on Android? N9Tweak can do it. Heck, you can do it from command line. A bit of GStreamer magic, and presto. Sailfish also uses gstreamer, so while you might not get a fancy app for it, making screen recordings is certainly feasible and quite easy.
Cm has it? Haven't seen it in my builds.

Cool if/when I get my Sailfish I will contact you about. Thx.

But honestly, it's better to enable it with a swipe movement like Galaxy note.
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