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Sailfish OS for the Motorola Moto G7 Power (XT1955-5) - (ocean) (9)
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by edgar2
No I am not. My original post was simply a joke (therefore there was also a wink
and? to my understanding, you're still mixing the town of nokia with nokia the corporation.
) I also thought that it would make people think a bit about if it is reasonable to blame Nokia (the corporation) every time something bad happens and name Nokia is displayed. Obviously I failed.
But since this thread seems to be back on track, I apologise for this continued off topic and end it here.
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2009-06-28
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Now that was funny eiffel. Especially liked the last line:
There you have it: the most objective comparison of two cellphones ever made. I think I'll take the rest of the afternoon off and copy and paste text on my cellphone because I can.
There you have it: the most objective comparison of two cellphones ever made. I think I'll take the rest of the afternoon off and copy and paste text on my cellphone because I can.
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by fms
It was one of the first phones to come with a webkit engine, and Opera was also available for it.
1. E70 has pretty decent web browsing capability, for its time.
3. I am still using my E70, as Nokia has not released a better phone so far. Unfortunately, it is very slow by today's standards. OMAP850 and 48MB RAM just don't cut it nowadays
On the outside it had a quite decent screen resolution (nearly double the pixels of the other models in the range) and a keyboard that feels similar to the N810's but with a full 5 rows of keys.
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Yeah, well... with a name like that...
Seimens has already been distancing themselves in press releases...
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by lma
Actually, only 12MB is available to the applications after the thing boots. It was announced as having 48MB of RAM, so I have no idea where the rest has gone.
OMAP 1710 actually, and 64MB physical RAM (48MB is the "accessible" figure after taking into account the OS overheads). Nearly identical to the 770 inside.
On the outside it had a quite decent screen resolution (nearly double the pixels of the other models in the range) and a keyboard that feels similar to the N810's but with a full 5 rows of keys.
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Hate to disappoint you, but your E61i had exactly the same web browser as E70, except the keyboard of course. So, by your definition, E61i is not supposed to have "internet capabilities" either. As to your devices "costing less" with the AT&T or TMobile contract, that is actually not true. I am too lazy to explain why, but ask around and other people will tell you.
regardless of "for its time" (I don't care about "for its time", I care about "can it do what I want/need"), I found the internet capabilities of that generation of nokia phones to be entirely sub-par. My E61i was cheaper than that. My G1 was cheaper than that. I don't see the value in paying that much for a "just voice+sms" device, when my "voice+sms+internet" device costs less.
3) whether or not Nokia has released a better phone, other companies have. And, more importantly, since then I realized that I wanted more than just a voice+sms device. I don't want to carry two pocketables.
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by fms
Yes, I know they have exactly the same web browser. That's part of my statement that that generation of nokia phones was inadequate when it comes to being internet devices. You're not disappointing me, you're confirming me. My E61i is also an inadequate internet device. That's why I don't use it anymore.
Hate to disappoint you, but your E61i had exactly the same web browser as E70, except the keyboard of course. So, by your definition, E61i is not supposed to have "internet capabilities" either.
As to your devices "costing less" with the AT&T or TMobile contract, that is actually not true. I am too lazy to explain why, but ask around and other people will tell you.
I paid less than $200 for my E61i, no contract subsidies/hidden costs. I paid for it completely up front.
With the G1, looking at the difference between what I'd be paying with and without the contract, summed up over 2 years, plus what I paid for it up front, is still less than $300. Even if you charge interest on the difference in monthly payments over those 2 years (ie. what I would be earning if I put that money in the bank instead of giving it to T-Mobile), I'm still paying less than $300 total for my G1. (in fact, it's less than $200)
The ONLY "hidden cost" I am paying for my G1 is that I'm committed to being on T-Mobile for 2 years. And, I could still make that change, pay the ETF, and still be comparable price range you estimated for the E70 (up front cost + monthly hidden costs + full ETF). After September, I could pay the ETF I'll have left, and _beat_ the price range you gave.
Even if someone didn't hit a sweet spot, have a certain need for a level of service that was identical on or off contract, nor get an early adopter type discount on the phone... the full price of the G1 is only barely higher than the price range you gave for the E70. Why on earth would I pay as much as $300-$400 for a phone that is, in my opinion, only useful for voice+messaging? Especially when I could pay barely more than that for a phone that is a complete internet device, in addition to being a phone and messaging device?
There is absolutely no cost analysis of the E70 that would make it worth my while to buy one, nor worth my while to have picked one over the G1. NONE.
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
I have made an observation though: it looks like whatever "desktop grade" web site I visit with N810 lately, it loads and renders really really really slow, hanging the tablet for seconds at a time. Mobile-optimized sites work pretty well though, but the same mobile-optimized sites also work on E70. It is sad to see that
You're not disappointing me, you're confirming me. My E61i is also an inadequate internet device. That's why I don't use it anymore.
Even if someone didn't hit a sweet spot, have a certain need for a level of service that was identical on or off contract, nor get an early adopter type discount on the phone... the full price of the G1 is only barely higher than the price range you gave for the E70. Why on earth would I pay as much as $300-$400 for a phone that is, in my opinion, only useful for voice+messaging?
There is absolutely no cost analysis of the E70 that would make it worth my while to buy one, nor worth my while to have picked one over the G1. NONE.
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by fms
No, I'm comparing my prices paid within the last year to the price you quoted for me to just go out and buy the E70... which implies doing it now. If that's not the current price for an E70, that's your fault for having given the wrong price for me to just go buy one.
You are comparing device available in 2006 with device released in 2008, at their initial prices. This is not very fair.
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