Well Gerbick, I'm a newbie to Linux, and all I know comes from reading this forum's old posts for a week straight, 8 hours a day, for research, so I hope I can learn something about Linux from you.

Well I'll admit I'm very competitive and persuasive, and love to debate, so forgive me if I came off offensively. But I feel you did the same thing by rebutting everything others said about the situation, and you made some weak points, and I naturally poke holes in weak points, not to ridicule you, just to drive my point home, that's all. I have to remember everyone doesn't enjoy debate as much as me. (One of my favorite movies is "The Great Debaters", and my favorite line is "I have the right to defend myself with violence or civil disobedience. You should hope I choose the latter.") And debaters don't wait to know your stance, we constantly watch your feet and aim at the toes to ensure you can have no leg to stand on. Its sick hearing me say that, but the best speakers, lobbyists, and lawyers come from this sort of training. I have to subdue it from time to time.

Does any mobile navi app impress you? Honestly?

By your rebuttals, it seemed you were justifying the lack of features. I don't need a touchscreen, but for the N97 to lack one would be a mistake for adoption's sake, as is OBEX for many. This is fact from a study on iPhone selling points and those that chose other models. It's probably the third largest thing after multitasking and dedicated keys.

I think you should know I'm not a Maemo user, but a Symbian user. I have used Symbian as my primary computing platform for 3 years straight now, and only use Windows in the studio when recording or backup my mobiles. But software not updated isn't bad if it works. Does it? And keep in mind, the NITs weren't mass market devices like the N900 is intended to be. Maemo 5 has mounds more momentum and support from Nokia this go around, and the phone capabilities puts it in the easy to sell category. Phones>tablets

I base it on what little I do know of Linux, the lot I know of Nokia, and Nokia's desire to make noise in the US this next 4 quarters. I've seen enough video to know I'd be satisfied enough to want it for the browser alone. Don't be a defeatist. I only responded to your "Pre doesn't have OBEX" and "Who needs Bt with wifi?" comments so viciously because in the global view, most people do, especially in India and China, bigger markets than the US with different needs and infrastructure. What Nokia does is make compromises to fit most markets. The iPhone is a niche device, and not even a large part of the market, just the mindshare. To put our personal views as the bell cowl for whether a device is worthy of the global market is not wise.

Well I don't expect the N900 to be the next N95, but if it sells as well as the E71 or N97, it will be the biggest selling mobile Linux variant ever, and give Nokia plenty to build upon. Just because I want it doesn't make me a broken record. You don't need a camera on your phone or fancy wheels on your car, but that doesn't make them "little" or useless for others. Just like the FM radio, which many of us don't need, is necessary to sell devices in Africa, where most people in developing Africa don't have any other access to radio broadcasts outside their Nokia phones. You have to know the global market, not just yours.

I'm curious, what did you transfer the file to, a PC? They're pretty rare in 3rd world countries. Most people consider their smartphone thier PC. And I'd like to see you send a file from your iPhone to a Razr or even an N95 via Wifi. I can send it from my N95 via SymSMB to any wireless network, but not natively.

There's a reason most people choose Maemo, Symbian, and Nokia over an iphone. Why don't you stop trying to convince those people they should? Every forum I go to I hear some idiot trying to tell me about the iPhone when I know what it isn't already. I'm more pleased with allowing homebrewed apps and multiple programming toolkit support. I'm allowed to be as close minded as I want because I've already reviewed the iPhones and know their limitations severely limit my daily workflow, and underserve the emerging markets with lack of necessary features. I bet plenty iPhans switch to the N900.

now childishness?? Wasn't it you cursing like a third grade idiot? you were the simple minded one, gerbick, but its ok. We all get irritated. Just notice the rafter in your own eye before you pick straw from mine. I have no chip on my shoulder. I'm just setting the record straight. I'd love to get you and other iphone lovers to the MobileActive symposium to see how the iphone is seen there. Its not just me saying it, but the most sophisticated mobilist out there.

And don't act like I'm just posting for fun. I posted in response to your rebuttals and finally your little tantrum. Racking up posts is far from my goal. I have my own web forums for that, amigo. Don't be such a jerk...

So what about calming down and having a beer? Thanks. ;-)
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Good advice, klapper

Ok, I disagree on this

I agree with you here. I don't see Nokia will have top of the line updates, OS updates and also backward compatibility with N900. And with Maemo 6 they want to have another step in loosing backward compatibility renouncing on GTK+ in favor of QT.

If it's all about file transfer, what does the iphones do in that area that the N900 or other NITs does not? They do wifi, bluetooth, USB and you can also use a removable card, probably the fastest method. How does the iphone restricting the way usb and bluetooth work make it better for file transferring via wifi? It's just one option less. Unless it has something to do with using some exclusive and very good proprietary software to manage your files...

IMHO there's no point in having debates to put down 'the other camp' for your personal\divine device's superiority. This mentality is just a form of ego boosting, which a shrink would probably have much more to say about

These sort of opportunities (device\technology comparisons) should be used to learn about what works and what doesn't from another camp's experience, and to dissect it from multiple angles (technical, usability, cultural, financial, etc) for your own camp's benefit. That, imho, is productive.

OK, christexaport and gerbick, it's time to take it outside.

And offline maps, pre-cached, are very useful when you're trying to save battery. For instance, when running the GPS to keep you on the bikepaths that you downloaded from http://www.opencyclemap.org into Maemo Mapper...

I found his comparison very useful as a starting point. Someone has to start the discussion and the first post gave a lot of content for us to chew over...