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2008-03-31
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#132
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Originally Posted by iamthewalrus
It has to be said that the replaceable battery is very useful. I have done quite a lot of youth work which involve going on camps without electricity for a period. Being able to replace the battery is handy.
I think Apple expects that most owners will have bought a new Shiny Thing by the time the battery is past its life expectancy. They are more fashion items than the tablets afer all.
Also buying batteries off the official Nokia Site isn't overly expensive. Between around £10 and £20.
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2008-03-31
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Originally Posted by slha89
Well. Yeah the itouch is better in pmp functions because its primary concern is that. For anything more than pmp..... it has nothing to show in comparision for the n8xx.
As a Canola competitor it's more than fun.
The UI works as my fingers expected in every app, UI is consistent and everything is with smooth scrolling.
I don't care much about heavy webbrowsing. What I see is ok. I'll test the touch longer then only for some minutes. But it lacks bluetooth and I think I miss some Linux apps... I don't buy it now.
My experience with Microb:
With MicroB, you have problems with small text boxes. One time I can tip with fingers, then need the stylus, then I need the keyboard, in full screen, the right scrollbar is to small... looks more like a mess. This isn't consistent.
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Any way in case you want a broader scroll bar there is a modified theme posted by someone which i have been using for a while and i like it better than the original one. You should try it out.
And there is a way to shut down the metalayer -crawler bug. Once agian search for that on this forum. There are other small changes you could do with the microb prefrences which make it a little better. And you could always disable all the browser components if you want a more ipod like experience.
I agree that everyone is going to be pleasantly surprised with the touch's responsiveness. And i bet most of us were pleasantly surprised with the how wonderful a device the n8xx were initially. But with the N8xxx it is a prolonged thing because almost every day you get new apps and firmware updates along the way which are for free. Unlike the touch where you get what you brought on the first day and nothing much after that( atleast for now) Even after the apps come.... they sure are not going to be free. so lets see.
Do your research and buy what you want it for.....
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2008-03-31
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Well, not entirely. I have a lot of applications on my touch that were free and work very well indeed. I also get firmware updates free.
In fact I find it somewhat easier to update applications on my touch than my 770 (and I don't mean just because 2007he seems to have killed my wireless).
In fact I find it somewhat easier to update applications on my touch than my 770 (and I don't mean just because 2007he seems to have killed my wireless).
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2008-03-31
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#135
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Originally Posted by tabletrat
I agree. But you must jailbreak. And i guess that firmware updates are not as exciting as the ones for the n8xxx series( mostly because the n8xxx has lot more things to improve compared to the touch). And i guess some of the firmware updates are indeed not free .... like the $ 20 one.
Well, not entirely. I have a lot of applications on my touch that were free and work very well indeed. I also get firmware updates free.
In fact I find it somewhat easier to update applications on my touch than my 770 (and I don't mean just because 2007he seems to have killed my wireless).
Anyway i would like to hear what applications you have on your touch and what you use them for. This is not an argument..... i just want to know what you use and for what. May be any developers would like to port some apps if they are really good apps.
Why dont you give a list of top 10 apps you use?
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2008-03-31
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#136
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Originally Posted by sachin007
That's kind of a weird argument. Think about it: "My Itablet is so much more exciting, because it was crap when I bought it, but now it's slowly creeping up to its full potential..."
I agree. But you must jailbreak. And i guess that firmware updates are not as exciting as the ones for the n8xxx series( mostly because the n8xxx has lot more things to improve compared to the touch).
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2008-03-31
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Originally Posted by sachin007
I never found a firmware updated exciting on any machine ever, so I can't really comment about that! Although looking on the net, it appears a lot of people do get excited.
I agree. But you must jailbreak. And i guess that firmware updates are not as exciting as the ones for the n8xxx series( mostly because the n8xxx has lot more things to improve compared to the touch). And i guess some of the firmware updates are indeed not free .... like the $ 20 one.
There was never a $20 firmware update for the iPod, I think you are confusing it for the $20 apps that came out at the same time as the 1.1.4 firmware (which was free). I didn't get that as I already had the apps.
Originally Posted by sachin007
I don't actually have 10 apps any more (although at one stage I did).
Anyway i would like to hear what applications you have on your touch and what you use them for. This is not an argument..... i just want to know what you use and for what. May be any developers would like to port some apps if they are really good apps.
Why dont you give a list of top 10 apps you use?
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Most of the time my iPod plays music, as nature intended. I carry it round also as it works as a fantastic photo album. I occasionally watch videos on it, although not often (if I am somewhere I can watch movies there is generally something better to do, or something better to watch them on, like a TV). I use yahoo and google mail on it a bit now, as there is a shop with free wifi opened over the road from where I work, I use the standard google maps and notes applications.
I don't tend to webbrowse on it much as I am either near a much better computer for doing that, or miles away from wifi. There isn't much free wifi in the UK, not like the US when I was on holiday there (where the 770 was good).
I have a program of my own making that interacts with my online shop, so I can check orders and status (very easy writing apps for the iPod, compared to the nokias for me), I have a few games that I would play when I am waiting for stuff and a news client.
That is pretty well what I use it for. Nothing the nokias shouldn't be able to do, but nothing I have yet to find them good for.
The nokia works well for browsing the internet when I am out and don't have my eee with me (I do trade shows as well, when I take the eee and my 3g modem). I guess an iPhone would be good for that, but not until it is 3G and I can get one on my my required phone provider (which wouldn't happen until it is 3G as they don't do edge or anything like that).
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2008-03-31
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#138
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
Well its not about arguing ..... its about accepting the truth. The tablets came out long before the iphone came... and at that time there was not that much importance on the user interface. But after the iphone came out there was more importance on the Ui and eye candy.
That's kind of a weird argument. Think about it: "My Itablet is so much more exciting, because it was crap when I bought it, but now it's slowly creeping up to its full potential..."
Look at the difference between the os2007 and os2008. You can clearly see that the latter is a better interface.... which i think was more driven by the competition from the touch/iphone. What i meant was that the firmware upgrade defintiely improved the user interface more because it lacked a good one initially. In all other regards you really cannot compare the tablets to any other portable device.
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2008-03-31
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Originally Posted by tabletrat
Well you would'nt find a firmware update interesting because the 770 stopped having official updates pretty early in its life span. Just look at the activity in this forum when there were 2 updates to the n800. I personally think it is an exciting thing especially for the n800.
I never found a firmware updated exciting on any machine ever, so I can't really comment about that! Although looking on the net, it appears a lot of people do get excited.
There was never a $20 firmware update for the iPod, I think you are confusing it for the $20 apps that came out at the same time as the 1.1.4 firmware (which was free). I didn't get that as I already had the apps.
I don't actually have 10 apps any more (although at one stage I did).
Most of the time my iPod plays music, as nature intended. I carry it round also as it works as a fantastic photo album. I occasionally watch videos on it, although not often (if I am somewhere I can watch movies there is generally something better to do, or something better to watch them on, like a TV). I use yahoo and google mail on it a bit now, as there is a shop with free wifi opened over the road from where I work, I use the standard google maps and notes applications.
I don't tend to webbrowse on it much as I am either near a much better computer for doing that, or miles away from wifi. There isn't much free wifi in the UK, not like the US when I was on holiday there (where the 770 was good).
I have a program of my own making that interacts with my online shop, so I can check orders and status (very easy writing apps for the iPod, compared to the nokias for me), I have a few games that I would play when I am waiting for stuff and a news client.
That is pretty well what I use it for. Nothing the nokias shouldn't be able to do, but nothing I have yet to find them good for.
The nokia works well for browsing the internet when I am out and don't have my eee with me (I do trade shows as well, when I take the eee and my 3g modem). I guess an iPhone would be good for that, but not until it is 3G and I can get one on my my required phone provider (which wouldn't happen until it is 3G as they don't do edge or anything like that).
Regarding the $20 firmware upgrade i heard that if you wanted to use a gps throuugh wifi ... you needed a $ 20 firmware upgrade to support this. May be i am wrong ..... but i never bothered to confirm it and i dont care either.
Well as you said the tablet can do all the stuff you mentioned and much much more..... which i would'nt go because we know what it can do. Coming to the wifi and 3g.... as you already know you can use it even now with a 3g enabled phone. ANd i heard UK has one of the best 3g networks in the world. I understand you need to carry two devices ..... but i think the advantage is that even if you use the n8xx and run out of battery you can still use your phone for making phone calls. And there is always the advantage of carrying additional batteries. Ithink the iphone having a 3g is going to have a very hard time keeping up with the battery life as 3g just guzzles the battery like anything..... so it will take apple a while before it can figure out 3g.
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2008-03-31
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I am talking about the firmware update on anything, computers, phones, routers, whatever. The iPod certainly gets a lot of them.
Yes, both the iPod and the nokia can do all the stuff I mentioned an more (well, apart from the shop application, as I didn't get it written there). I use my nokia with my n73 phone, it basically gives me a big screen to browse the web on (and it is a bit easier than the phone). Carrying two devices is a bit of a pain (yes, I would like a nokia nxxx with a built in sim).
I have never carried two batteries for any device apart from my camera, and can't see that changing. I don't mind having the charger in the car, but I don't consider walking around with a spare battery on me a viable option (for me), so the battery issue was never that for me, I don't change batteries. I don't know why apple don't just make it thicker and put a bigger battery in - I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Actually, when it comes down to it, what really bugs me is that considering the technology we had > 10 years ago, it seems like everyone just gave up trying.
Why don't we have batteries that last the day? Why don't we have mobile operating systems designed to be just that.
I like the nokia hardware, but the operating system really does seem like they couldn't be bothered to think about the problem.
Yes, both the iPod and the nokia can do all the stuff I mentioned an more (well, apart from the shop application, as I didn't get it written there). I use my nokia with my n73 phone, it basically gives me a big screen to browse the web on (and it is a bit easier than the phone). Carrying two devices is a bit of a pain (yes, I would like a nokia nxxx with a built in sim).
I have never carried two batteries for any device apart from my camera, and can't see that changing. I don't mind having the charger in the car, but I don't consider walking around with a spare battery on me a viable option (for me), so the battery issue was never that for me, I don't change batteries. I don't know why apple don't just make it thicker and put a bigger battery in - I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Actually, when it comes down to it, what really bugs me is that considering the technology we had > 10 years ago, it seems like everyone just gave up trying.
Why don't we have batteries that last the day? Why don't we have mobile operating systems designed to be just that.
I like the nokia hardware, but the operating system really does seem like they couldn't be bothered to think about the problem.
The UI works as my fingers expected in every app, UI is consistent and everything is with smooth scrolling.
I don't care much about heavy webbrowsing. What I see is ok. I'll test the touch longer then only for some minutes. But it lacks bluetooth and I think I miss some Linux apps... I don't buy it now.
My experience with Microb:
With MicroB, you have problems with small text boxes. One time I can tip with fingers, then need the stylus, then I need the keyboard, in full screen, the right scrollbar is to small... looks more like a mess. This isn't consistent.
And I have more and more situations, where bluetooth, metacrawler, Microb, WLAN and GPS runs at full load and/or the N810 getting really hot at the backside. It's nice to have a CPU load applet, but this can't be the solution in a small computer. There should be more error handling.
The N8x0 is really a very nice developer board, but nothing more atm.