Actually it is "we" people.. the tinkerers, hackers, modifiers, etc.. that take a device and want to do things nobody else thought of that make things continue on. Blackberry .. people wronte JAD applets and crap if one didn't already exist. Windows/Mac; people write their own and toss it around to their friends until it lands on "the right" desk.

Take the world of broadband in your pocket.. just a few years ago almost no phone had a decent browser or internet in your pocket... yet people weren't satisfied and push for better, more internet support. Once that latched on the phone companies saw a whole new niche they could get money from - Broadband USB dongles.. and now they are sold everywhere.. It's now the "norm".

If everyone was happy with just being able to make phone calls then nobody would have even pushed for a cellular broadband.

Looking just at this form is a perfect example.. people bought the N810 for just an internet tablet and then found this form and saw people like Benson, Keeps, Penguinbait, Qole, Qwerty, Myself (and the list goes on) - doing some real quirky and cool crap with our tablets... now all the "normal" users that bought their tablet for a tablet want the "new cool" features of the geeks tablet.. thus brings forth the Penguinbait Bootmenu and Clone deb's, his KDE for Maemo, Keeps Deblet, Qole's Easy Debian.... on and on and on.

It is we people that provide you people the devices you want - not necessarily the device you got. And this pushes companies to see that you people WANT these kinds of things and so they try and find ways to incorporate it into their product to make $$$$ off of you.

Don't dis the we people .

GeneralAntilles, I had hoped everyone here would know being called a gadfly is not a potshot but a very high complement.

Also, the "you people" comment is a humorous, but not in any way meant to be insulting, reference to the Black Jack, Robert Downing movie. No harm meant at all.

This conversation should be helpful though to anyone thinking 700K units is worthwhile in a world were iphone 3G is projected to sell 12 million in its first 12 months.

What, are you trying to run Nokia out of business ?

I'm not taking potshots. It's THOOOOOOSE people over there!

Nokia sells more N-series devices in a month than Apple does in a year. The N810 is essentially an extended R and D project and everyone on these boards knows that or should know it. N series phones on the other hand as well as entry level mass emerging market phones are Nokia's bread and butter.

I have been using an N78 for the last week almost completely ditching my N810 for the usual tasks I use it for, email, internet radio, media player etc. It was only when I picked up my N810 to do some web browsing in bed the other day that I truly appreciated how close Nokia have come to the perfect device. The screen, the OS, the form factor is just about perfect. If they threw in a 5mp camera and HSDPA/GSM chip in there for phone calls there would be a slew of people who would buy those instead of iPhones/N95's and you can count me in that group.

As it is the N78 and the N810 combo is a killer duo, but sometimes I do wish I had the both of their capabilities combined in one unit.

<condescending>Either you get the n800 or you don't.</condescending>

When mine breaks (please no) I might have to pay more for a used one than I did for my shrinked wrapped one. Put that in your convergence pipe and smoke it.

This thing is geek heroin. I spend most of my day trying to bend it (not over) to my will. When my instructions are clear it answers "sir, yes, sir," unlike so many of my other dead-end devices that "just say no." F*ck convergence, this thing is one-in-a-series of missing links. And, if the need arises for any of you converging, you can consider me an official n800 recycling center; no cell phones, please.

My mom dresses me funny.

I give up.

Remember, you heard the N8XX R&D project will be cancelled, from me first.

If it is canceled I have a feeling it isn't because Nokia deems it won't be successful or edged out by iPhones and ipod touches but because it will "converge" with their more mainstream offerings as an N-Series phone. I can't remember the exact quote but somewhere someone said the tablets are more successful per dollar spent on development and marketing than any phone Nokia has made.

You may be correct about this reason Nokia may cancel the N8XX.

Theres something interesting though when someone using a quote from "somewhere someone said".

It normally sounds like, "god this guy know what he is talking about I'de better back off".

I'm not so sure though about what you are saying someone else said about dveleopment of a tablet versus a normal phone.

You think you have convergence problems? Check our buddy out here.

He needs convergence.

hehe.