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2009-04-25 , 13:16
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#131
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And sorry, 770 lovers-- I still think it looks like a Radio Shack product.
You rat b*stard!

Otherwise, an excellent post.
 

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2009-04-25 , 13:58
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#132
Originally Posted by electrolind View Post
I use my N800 enough so I go through one every 14 months (plus or minus 4 weeks).(Screen develops lines and starts going wavy)
Ah! So my theory that the screen is defective (or at least there's a defective batch) and breaks after around a year is right.
 
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#133
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
It saddens me that Nokia *seems* to be moving away from elements that made the tablets distinct and toward homogenization that would make them more or less like anyone else's offerings.

Nokia had a chance to create and seize a new market, and fumbled the ball... despite the evangelism of many inside the company in favor of pushing the tablets hard.
OK, I see all the Thanks! at the bottom of your post, but I don't "get" it.

You sort of throw these two points out there, then ramble a bit about manufacturing and losing your job (which is interesting to read, but doesn't really give me any clue to what's prompted you to write the quoted text).

So, do you mind elaborating a bit on exactly what it is that you see them losing?
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2009-04-25 , 16:00
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#134
Originally Posted by electrolind View Post
I use my N800 enough so I go through one every 14 months (plus or minus 4 weeks).(Screen develops lines and starts going wavy)
Do you use a screen protector? If so, a good one? (I'm at 16 months of heavy daily usage, all with a stylus, and the screen seems like-new.)
 

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#135
Originally Posted by electrolind View Post
I use my N800 enough so I go through one every 14 months (plus or minus 4 weeks).(Screen develops lines and starts going wavy)
If you don't care about the d-pad location, SD slots, FM radio, USB jack or the camera, and you do care about beautiful,durable,sensitive screens and robust WiFi connectivity, you should not get another n800. The n810 should be your next replacement.

This statement comes from a satisfied owner of both.
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#136
Originally Posted by lemmyslender View Post
Well, golly gee I see both those links suggest the next tablet(s) will have cellular data connectivity. Gosh, I think I remember reading that in multiple other places as well, including here at ITT.

Very specifically, there are at least two potential upcoming models, RX-51 and RX-71 correct? Are we then 100% certian, perhaps a Nokia blog or press release that indicates "both" or "all" future tablets will have the apropriate hardware? Perhaps we have information on the chip that will be used?

Your first link (your own article, no less) merely states that the code was included in the alpha sdk, and mentions the RX-51. The second link mentions that Maemo 5 (again software) will include data connectivity. If I'm wrong, please point out where.

I sincerely hope that from a cost standpoint one of the two potential models will be lacking the hardware necessary. This would allow those of us that have no need to spend another $30-$60 dollars per month a cheaper alternative. If in fact I'll have to pay for hardware I have no use for, that is a major strike in my book.
At least for the United States, you have to figure that Nokia is working hand-in-hand with a carrier (or carriers) to compete with Apple/AT&T. More than we wish, the carriers have a say in what gets built. My guess is that one of the Tablets is a phone, to compete with the iPhone, and that the other is not a phone.

I don't plan on spending big bucks like you have to for iPhone connectivity. If Nokia is coming out with two models, and both enable a cellular data connection, my hope is that Nokia has cut a deal to allow it to be used with a cheap, prepaid data solution, analogous to T-Mobile's prepaid phone card, for those of us who are generally happy to rely on WiFi.

If I had my druthers, Nokia would also come out with a non-celldata-capable, no-hardware-keyboard model -- that is, an N800 that was faster and smaller than the original (while keeping the same screen size and resolution), and cheap. It would be the iTouch-competitor for people who are willing to sacrifice a little (though not as much as currently required) on bulk in order to gain a bigger, and 800x480, screen.

And, yeah, as far as I'm concerned, I'd prefer a stylus, too. But even if Nokia dumps the stylus, if they can make an interface with the sensitivity to make a finger as precise as a stylus, I'd still like this new Son-of-N800.
 

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Originally Posted by GeraldKo View Post
At least for the United States, you have to figure that Nokia is working hand-in-hand with a carrier (or carriers) to compete with Apple/AT&T. More than we wish, the carriers have a say in what gets built.
Perhaps not. Lots of other non-phone devices have SIM card slots: UMPCs, MIDs, netbooks and laptops. Do the carriers get a say in how they are built? Do the carriers there control what Microsoft can do when running on them?

My guess is that one of the Tablets is a phone, to compete with the iPhone, and that the other is not a phone.
Perhaps. There are, I think a number of possibilities:
  1. One is pretty much the high-end tablet replacement, with HSPA. Voice capability may be included, but primarily intended for use via Bluetooth.
  2. One is a smaller, phone-sized device. This directly competes with the Symbian phone range.
  3. One is a larger, netbook-screen sized device for use on the road in larger bags, or around the home. (A bit like the Touchbook)
  4. They are both very similar, only slightly differing in size and feature set (e.g. cut out HSPA, FM RX/TX, perhaps no card slot, perhaps 640x384 screen). But aimed at different markets.

my hope is that Nokia has cut a deal to allow it to be used with a cheap, prepaid data solution, analogous to T-Mobile's prepaid phone card, for those of us who are generally happy to rely on WiFi.
Earlier comments by Nokia, shortly after the Maemo 5 announcements, were along the lines that adding the cellular hardware didn't add much to the end price, and that you wouldn't have to use it.

Any form of mobile carrier contract is likely to add up to more than the bog-standard retail. But I wouldn't be expecting the primary sales route for the Maemo 5 devices to be through mobile phone retailers and carrier contracts.

I think they'll be sold as high-end, unlocked, unsubsidised devices primarily.
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#138
The thought of hardwired HSPA gives me the kreeps. Some of you scoff at those of us who talk about modular cellular capabilities. But aren't we starting to see small netbooks with internal usb 2.0 ports? Someone as large as Nokia, who doesn't want to have another n810 WiMAX fiasco, needs to put their foot down. Close-source binary blob me all you want, just allow me to remove it without causing me any buggy hardware issues. The timing for this is perfect for technical and non-technical reasons.
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2009-04-25 , 22:52
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#139
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But aren't we starting to see small netbooks with internal usb 2.0 ports?
You're kidding, right? You want to hook up the internal 3G modem to a USB port in a device this size? Assuming you could actually fit all that **** in there, say hello to 3-hour battery life.

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Close-source binary blob me all you want, just allow me to remove it without causing me any buggy hardware issues.
It's hooked up to a serial connection (SPI, I think) they released the kernel drivers around September last year.
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2009-04-25 , 23:08
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#140
Yes, I use several screen protectors per screen. I suspect there's something in the environment as a friend in the next town over has the same problem, but another ten miles south does not.

I have tried the N810 and I just don't like it. Just doesn't feel right.

I've been thinking about 4G networks.

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