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2009-12-24 , 15:20
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#131
Originally Posted by RevdKathy View Post
Take Mr Box, originator of this debate: his first few posts were extremely negative. He riled a lot of people up. He gave the impression (rightly or wrongly) that his posts were made purely for the purpose of annoying people. This is an activity known as 'trolling'. Unfortunately, not everyone can see the difference between a someone who makes an occasional trolling post and A Troll. Personally, I think Mr Box has fallen into this trap: his early posts appeared to be trolling: now he is stuck with the tag of 'troll' in some people's minds, which impacts on the way they respond to his posts, however good (or otherwise) they may be.
I love the write-up Kathy, just one thing though.

I responded well to a few of OB's "threads" because the threads in and of themselves were not "bad" threads, per se. However, nearly every single thread I have seen OpenBox make was akin to:

Maemo would fail if....
N900 is overpriced..
iPhone vs Maemo article 1..
iPhone vs Maemo article 2..
etc.

When every single thread made by someone follows the same, "This other device, os, company, thingy majig over here is, was, will be, could be, might possibly be, better than your device"... it gets real old, real quick. Especially when some of those are just obvious sillyness.
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#132
Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
I love the write-up Kathy, just one thing though.

I responded well to a few of OB's "threads" because the threads in and of themselves were not "bad" threads, per se. However, nearly every single thread I have seen OpenBox make was akin to:

Maemo would fail if....
N900 is overpriced..
iPhone vs Maemo article 1..
iPhone vs Maemo article 2..
etc.

When every single thread made by someone follows the same, "This other device, os, company, thingy majig over here is, was, will be, could be, might possibly be, better than your device"... it gets real old, real quick. Especially when some of those are just obvious sillyness.

Which perfectly proves my point. If you look at 'Find all posts by Mr Box' you will see that by now he has actually made quite a number of useful, positive and contributory posts. Even his list of 'started threads' contains some useful and positive material.

But what you remember about him is those first few threads which he started, which caused a flame war and brought out the very worst in some members of the community. They were 'trolling posts'. But not everything posted by Mr Box has been: he is not, per se, 'A Troll'.

That's the tough bit to get past: many people feel a sinking sensation when a thread by Mr B appears - what's he going to start now? If he had approached the community without the 'attitude' in the first place, and made his useful posts first, we might all feel differently towards him
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2009-12-24 , 15:45
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy View Post
Which perfectly proves my point. If you look at 'Find all posts by Mr Box' you will see that by now he has actually made quite a number of useful, positive and contributory posts. Even his list of 'started threads' contains some useful and positive material.
So I took your challenge Kathy. Please understand I'm not trying to be negative.. but these are my findings. (you'll find I have all the time in the world for this kind of thing.)

While look at just the first page of OpenBox's "posts" search.. I saw:

10 useful, well put posts.
15 negative, or baiting posts that were responses to his own baited threads. (in his defense here: this includes responses to other people being negative to him.)

While looking at his *started* thread list (again, first page) I find:
16 threads that were OK. About half (most) of these were complaints, but I don't fault someone for having complaints.
5 threads that were the threads I discussed above.
2 threads that had titles I weren't sure where to classify:
"The spacebar on the N900 sucked - initially" -- not the most approachable wording..
"I love the kickstand, I hate the kickstand" -- Again..

So.. I stand corrected that he *has* made some decent threads I didn't notice were started by him. I think this has to do with, when I see a good thread I don't particularly pay a ton of attention to who the OP is.. but when I see a negative one it's like you look straight at the name.

OTOH: I still find the majority of his most recent POSTS to be in a negative connotation. (arguably, I think most of those were responses to his own negative threads, which spawned negative reactions to him, however.)

Hate to single you out OpenBox.. you just get to be the center of attention in your own thread .
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2009-12-24 , 15:59
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#134
hes a troll. lets not be so nice. who comes into the forums to tell everyone here they suck by referencing a competitors product/forums. lolsauce. trolls do that, thats who.
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Originally Posted by McLightning View Post
i.we dont have that much of communication between members here.we dont have a good transference of information either
I know you have to be kidding.
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fataslaint you forgot is maemo 2015 device thread what got deleted b/c it was a WUM thread he started to piss ppl off.
 
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True.. I was unaware he had deleteds since I cannot see them. I don't think I had the (dis)pleasure of reading that one.
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The problem with this thread started with the title. It came off as an absurdly broad slam against every single member here.

Not meaning to prove the OP's point but, sorry, that's stupid.

Surely Mr. Box is not so naive as to understand what a self-fulfilling prophecy he was crafting. But fortunately there has actually been some thoughtful dialog nonetheless... but I have to credit people like RevdKathy and fatalsaint (et al) for that. Certainly not the one who threw the molotov cocktail in the first place.
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what a self-fulfilling prophecy he was crafting.
I have decided that you love this phrase .
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
I have decided that you love this phrase .
I've used it twice in 2 days.

But, yeah, it applies so easily and often in talk forums....
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