geneven@rocketmail.com, which is actually Yahoo mail. I had a rocketmail address when it was a company, which was absorbed by Yahoo. But I also have geneven@yahoo.com but rarely use it and geneven@gmail.com and others. Doesn't everyone have a similar plethora of email addresses?

A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures.
- Daniel Webster

sorry, couldn't help myself ¦-)

EDIT: more seriously...
“Planning without action is a daydream; action without planning is a nightmare.” Japanese proverb.
maybe that summarizes NOKIA's management policies over the last few years as well as for an (un-)foreseeable future...

The times were good when we were all asleep and our dreams lacked ecosystems....

So not ONLY are you here to see if you can artificially inflate your newly purchased stock despite consumer opinions and impressions, but you're also here to lobby for drug companies by handing out free drugs? You'll go far as long as you don't get caught by regulatory agencies. You'll go far, alright.

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNODROID!!!
I really should do up an Android version of the hypnotoad for an avatar.

Actually, yes. I do too--but I don't think much of them anymore... to the point where I've forgotten about them completely until I'm reminded that there ARE still addresses of mine out there on those services. Hell... I still have an ix.netcom.com address from 1993 that I STILL use more than those.

Well, that pretty much sums up the move to elect Elop as the new CEO.

Elop, Elop, Elop. Is it really so difficult to get into your head that Mr Elop is not running Nokia all by himself. He was hired for a reason, he was hired to do a job that had already started at board level long before he entered his foot into Nokia.

You are acting like small children. Don't you have any idea at all how a company is run? If the MS deal was against the will of the board, Elop would have been fired at the very second the board knew about it.

Elop is no wizard or King, he is a chief executive officer, the captain to navigate and administer the ship in the direction set by the board. He has several teams around him with experts on all businesses that Nokia is doing.

But no, Elop entered Nokia, looked around and thought - Me evil emperor, me give all this to Microsoft, me be rich - muuhhaaa

Disagree. But I'm a developer... I got targets.

Erm... where did I contradict this? Because as it stands, WP7 is local to me, foreign to damn near everybody else.

Never said otherwise. But as it stands, the declines for both Nokia and Microsoft have been almost 5 years and 10 years respectively. That's just down.

They say they are... but losing share to the point where they're back to numbers they've not seen since 1998 or so, that's not good.

With Symbian being dropped, the funding for MeeGo dropping... the push for WP7 increasing and it's not exactly a blockbuster seller itself... I'm not seeing where this is a multiple horse bet. I see the eggs being placed all in one basket. Not good.

Quite incorrect. In fact, I'd say downright delusional. Handheld MID's were the precursors to the new tablets - iPad, Honeycomb, et al. They could have set the pace for internet tablets because they were first. They did not capitalize. In fact, they're no longer a player in the field whereas they were the only ones. And if they come out with a tablet now, it will not sell. Period.

They missed out.

Then innovate more. Or sell more. Losing share constantly since 2007 is not how a business stays afloat.

Never said otherwise. But constant innovation would have pushed aside these things. Not the case in Nokia's choices. They didn't see the trends, they didn't create the trends, instead... they sat on top of some seriously innovative stuff and didn't market, didn't push it, didn't take advantage of it. Case in point... Maemo. Harmattan was probably possible years ago, but Nokia had to innovate under pressure to get to where it's been done now. Proper funding, some serious talent could have done that in one form or another a couple of years ago and we'd be dealing with a MeeGo/Maemo device that has an ecosystem for the lemmings, repositories for the geeks.

Didn't happen.

US Business != Global Business. Zune Marketplace isn't even in all of the areas that Nokia sells their stuff. How will they get updates? Do not confuse the XBOX LIVE network with what WP7 needs for updates. Not the same.

I have a WP7 phone. It updates via Zune. Thank goodness I'm in the US. Otherwise, I'd be almost SOL.

Apple is a better marketer than most. They haven't pushed out crap that won't sell since Lisa and the Pippin. Now? They try to create a market for their stuff by using incredible marketing. Steve Jobs is the modern day PT Barnum. Learn from him.

They broke the mold... didn't want old *** Symbian, didn't want to use iOS, didn't want to be a slave to anybody. Made their own ecosystem, made a way to push their services to the end user on their phone(s), gave people access to their Gmail accounts and ultimately you have an OS that does: services, e-mail, music, browsing, searching and plays ads that are all culled from the aforementioned usage of services, music, e-mail and searches.

Pretty damn genius. Too bad Nokia didn't do that... not in the same way. They're not Google.

This kind of thought is why Nokia is ****ing up. They had everything to lose, but didn't keep on a path where they were ahead of folks. The world caught up, Nokia just sat back, pointed at how "We have the largest share!" and didn't really do crap but release crap phone after crap phone while touting them to be "high profile phones" whereas they were getting passed by feature phones that were now being labeled as smart phones... and guess what? People bought into that.

And how did Nokia continue to respond? By saying nothing at all.

Yeah... real damn smart.

Funny thing about disruptions. As much as you never know when the next one is coming about... you have to be fast enough to turn with the stream/tide/rush/whatever and innovate within that madness.

Google did. Start to look for other heroes in these ever-changing times. Nokia had an ace... waited to late to play it. It's a new game now, those cards are no longer useful. Start again, be more focused or get the hell out of the way.

Bingo. Problem is... they are already making the same wrong *** decisions. Kill something that's closer to being released than your intended product? WP7 ain't ready for Europe. MeeGo is. Release it, bolster its release with support, make it Plan B when Plan A (WP7) is ready. Until then, you've announced and (yet again) released absolutely nothing.

That's typical Nokia. That **** doesn't play now. Announce, ship quickly, update and give people the perception that they'll be supported, innovate and have your new stuff in the wings... force the consumers to update once they feel as if they need those new things. Not when Nokia drops support, makes you feel like you've been forgotten and you're ready to go up in arms against anything/anybody Nokia connected.

Nokia needs Neo-Marketing 101. They're too damn old fashioned, it doesn't work any more.

The fact that you think Nokia isn't staring corporate death right now is pretty damn amazing.

And guess what? Some folks believe that Microsoft is not the people they needed to form any alliance with to create a secure future and rebuild down this ever-weakening path. And I say this as a Microsoft stock owner, former MCSE/MCDBA - WP7 isn't ready for primetime. I say that as a current WP7 phone owner.

It's ready for the US. It's ready for Canada. Europeans will piss all over the WP7 when it comes out. Why? It's so damn limiting and doesn't fit their concept of how they should use a phone. Worse in Asia. They might burn WP7 phones in effigy there.

Argue what you want... what Elop is doing is going too deeply down a path of only one option for a company that needs a wider range of options to fit their typically wide portfolio. And with what I said earlier, WP7 doesn't do that. It doesn't cover the S40 level and it doesn't make the MeeGo/Maemo folks happy. More options better exist very damn soon.

I'm loving my 4.3 inch screen on my HTC HD7S. Microsoft evil? Never said it. Elop evil? Never said it.

I don't see why evil pops out of people's mouth so damn easily. Evil is relative to good... so who's good?

GNU/Linux
the freedom to download and install whatever app you (dis-)like, just to try it out, brick your... N900 and flash it back right away

Whatever app? I can name some serious holes in that logic.

hey, you the developer, right?

Consumer opinions and expressions are clear, the stock is going up buddy and even your negativism aint gonna stop it.