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2011-07-20
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
Having just scrolled through two pages of non-productive crap, I suggest such discussions don't a) occur on this thread and b) maybe not even on this forum. Wherever you, lma and whoever else is adding value is.
This is an excellent start. From here, I see a need for discussion in two directions.
From following IRC discussions of Garage, I've gained the impression that the tool is a maintenance headache, and as I understand it, Gitorious is the preferred location for new projects. Are there many still active projects in Garage? Can they, should they be encouraged to move to Gitorious? How difficult is that? The features list for Gitorious doesn't include a bug tracker. If that's correct, that's one clear feature mismatch between the two tools, and how do Gitorious projects handle bug tracking? What about all the mothballed projects in Garage? License permitting, should their code be preserved somewhere if Garage goes away?
- Downloads - mostly dealt with my the repos, but some things aren't actually software for tablets (e.g. tablet-encode)
- Bug tracking - actively discouraged for a while, people should use bugs.maemo.org
- News - poorly used, people's own blogs are better bets; but is there a good service for that? (I use madler's maemopeople.org myself)
- VCS - gitorious or github, but what if people prefer svn rather than the load-your-water-pistol-with-nitroglycerine of git?
- Documents - transition to MediaWiki?
- Forums - poorly used, AFAICT.
- Mailing lists - no obvious replacement. Is there an open equivalent? Google Groups maybe?
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2011-07-20
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#133
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Got it.
May as well shutdown the forums now then. Maybe whatever money "the community" can save Nokia on the hosting costs can be applied to other essential items to keep them going a little longer.
May as well shutdown the forums now then. Maybe whatever money "the community" can save Nokia on the hosting costs can be applied to other essential items to keep them going a little longer.
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2011-07-20
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#134
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
Sorry, but i wonder if this was pure sarcasm, or You actually believe in what You've just said?
Got it.
May as well shutdown the forums now then. Maybe whatever money "the community" can save Nokia on the hosting costs can be applied to other essential items to keep them going a little longer.
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2011-07-20
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#135
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
Mailing lists are the easiest things to replicate...stick mailman on the new server (I'm fairly sure this is what's running already) and job done!
- Downloads - mostly dealt with my the repos, but some things aren't actually software for tablets (e.g. tablet-encode)
- Bug tracking - actively discouraged for a while, people should use bugs.maemo.org
- News - poorly used, people's own blogs are better bets; but is there a good service for that? (I use madler's maemopeople.org myself)
- VCS - gitorious or github, but what if people prefer svn rather than the load-your-water-pistol-with-nitroglycerine of git?
- Documents - transition to MediaWiki?
- Forums - poorly used, AFAICT.
- Mailing lists - no obvious replacement. Is there an open equivalent? Google Groups maybe?
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2011-07-21
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Originally Posted by Estel
Don't ask me, ask Jaffa. Seems pretty straightforward to me. If we shouldn't continue discussions on the future of the community on tmo, as it is "poorly used AFAICT" per Jaffa, tmo is obviously expendable.
Sorry, but i wonder if this was pure sarcasm, or You actually believe in what You've just said?
For the record, I believe ITT contributed significantly to the "community" despite the snr. TMO did as well. After the N900 was released, a lot of new people found their way to tmo. Unfortunately, this decreased the snr (the price of being less of a niche).
Oddly, it seems to me, the people who wanted maemo/meego to succeed the most, are those who despise the additional noise (consumers) that same popularity brings. Fortunately, Nokia has solved that problem for them.
And yes that was pure sarcasm. Get rid of tmo, and you would lose a whole lot of talent. That's ok though, it was routinely preached that the only people the "community" couldn't live without avoided the forums, and only could be found on the mailing lists. I'm guessing the only people this "community" can't live without is Nokia.
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2011-07-21
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
You just aint got a clue have you !!!.
Having just scrolled through two pages of non-productive crap, I suggest such discussions don't a) occur on this thread and b) maybe not even on this forum. Wherever you, lma and whoever else is adding value is.
People have had actions to come up with a suggested suite of tools as part of deprecating Garage for ages. Some features:
- Downloads - mostly dealt with my the repos, but some things aren't actually software for tablets (e.g. tablet-encode)
- Bug tracking - actively discouraged for a while, people should use bugs.maemo.org
- News - poorly used, people's own blogs are better bets; but is there a good service for that? (I use madler's maemopeople.org myself)
- VCS - gitorious or github, but what if people prefer svn rather than the load-your-water-pistol-with-nitroglycerine of git?
- Documents - transition to MediaWiki?
- Forums - poorly used, AFAICT.
- Mailing lists - no obvious replacement. Is there an open equivalent? Google Groups maybe?
You rabbit on about "non-productive crap" while you seem totally blind to the situation, for gods sake man get a grip !.
knock knock hello is there anyone in there??????.
yes it is YOU i am knocking jaffaa because your now making yourself look very stupid indeed sorry to say.
I give up with this so called "council" i really do.
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2011-07-21
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
MANY dev's have now left this what used to be a really good forum and people are leaving Nokia and TMO by the streamload so yes i agree with your points totally whilst others seem to be blinkered.
Don't ask me, ask Jaffa. Seems pretty straightforward to me. If we shouldn't continue discussions on the future of the community on tmo, as it is "poorly used AFAICT" per Jaffa, tmo is obviously expendable.
For the record, I believe ITT contributed significantly to the "community" despite the snr. TMO did as well. After the N900 was released, a lot of new people found their way to tmo. Unfortunately, this decreased the snr (the price of being less of a niche).
Oddly, it seems to me, the people who wanted maemo/meego to succeed the most, are those who despise the additional noise (consumers) that same popularity brings. Fortunately, Nokia has solved that problem for them.
And yes that was pure sarcasm. Get rid of tmo, and you would lose a whole lot of talent. That's ok though, it was routinely preached that the only people the "community" couldn't live without avoided the forums, and only could be found on the mailing lists. I'm guessing the only people this "community" can't live without is Nokia.
"Having just scrolled through two pages of non-productive crap, I suggest such discussions don't a) occur on this thread and b) maybe not even on this forum. Wherever you, lma and whoever else is adding value is."
This totally shocked me when i read it, what the hell.
Last edited by abill_uk; 2011-07-21 at 03:44.
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2011-07-21
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#139
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As it's been said before, I think the technical parts are simpler to take care of. (note that I did not say easy, nor cheap, nor quick).
But what will be the unifying force and the draw for this site past maemo?
ITT era: NIT users looking for a forum. Nokia churns out the hardware and they fund core development of subsequent OS, frameworks and other software components to draw developers, potential integrators and whatnot.
maemo era: similar, except the users part is disproportionately more than the devs. The opposition platforms have grown and matured as well, sucking away some of our devs and users to migrate to them. (Note that the opposite migration happens in much much less quantity).
meego era:
- no new hardware on maemo
- no corp funded software development on maemo
- no new users to draw when the 2 points above stops (well this could be seen as a plus for some, heh).
But what will be the unifying force and the draw for this site past maemo?
ITT era: NIT users looking for a forum. Nokia churns out the hardware and they fund core development of subsequent OS, frameworks and other software components to draw developers, potential integrators and whatnot.
maemo era: similar, except the users part is disproportionately more than the devs. The opposition platforms have grown and matured as well, sucking away some of our devs and users to migrate to them. (Note that the opposite migration happens in much much less quantity).
meego era:
- no new hardware on maemo
- no corp funded software development on maemo
- no new users to draw when the 2 points above stops (well this could be seen as a plus for some, heh).
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2011-07-21
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Originally Posted by ysss
And your making about as much sense as mud so please stop trolling will you !.
@abill: will you please just take your nonsensical rants elsewhere? I can assure you that if all you want to do is just yell out complaints all day long and walk in circles, no one is interested in that.
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You take Nokia out of the equation then what you are left with is pure software litigation aimed at what? so i can not see a community based on the latter in any size because the interest would not be there if development was not aimed specifically.
I think the area your wanting to go would not be the area currently being dealt with on this community today but rather a select group of developers that would take out the agro factor as the noise levels on here can be somewhat deafening sometimes i have to say.