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2013-12-27
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#131
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If I want to do all the "pretty easy" things on my wish list, I wouldn't have time to poop.
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2013-12-27
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@ Israel
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#132
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Originally Posted by rainisto
I always thought that codes are to protect data and information and not hardware, it's not feature, it's totally bug. And people always asked why I whined when i was keeping to repeat that Jolla is mostly talking about FOSS and promises, but they still didn't fully proven to be trusted in any promised area.
Yes currently the spare tire is the care centers flashing stations. But update is coming soon, which gives you factory spare tire.
The thing which we protect is that if you have set devicelock code and someone steals your device, then he/she is not able to wipe it clean for selling it off by reflashing without knowning your lockcode.
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2013-12-27
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@ Budapest, Hungary
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Seriously guys, I don't see your problem.
As Jonni (rainisto) says, the device is still unlockable, you just need to use a different way to do it. And you can go back to a previous software release by resetting.
The rationale is also understandable: they wish to give some more protection to 99% of their users (that is, everybody who is not a kernel hacker).
They also said that the situation will improve with the next update. Seriously, it's a holiday right now, please have some patience. I bet you wouldn't like it if your boss/customers asked you to work in your holiday either.
Please respect the decision and have some patience.
As Jonni (rainisto) says, the device is still unlockable, you just need to use a different way to do it. And you can go back to a previous software release by resetting.
The rationale is also understandable: they wish to give some more protection to 99% of their users (that is, everybody who is not a kernel hacker).
They also said that the situation will improve with the next update. Seriously, it's a holiday right now, please have some patience. I bet you wouldn't like it if your boss/customers asked you to work in your holiday either.
Please respect the decision and have some patience.
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2013-12-27
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Joined on Feb 2011
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#134
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Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic
With hwkb it should be quite easy to use that off-time for something productive.
If I want to do all the "pretty easy" things on my wish list, I wouldn't have time to poop.
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2013-12-27
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@ Enschede, The Netherlands
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#135
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Originally Posted by Venemo
Closing/limiting the bootloader is an insufficient stop-gap for protecting the data on your stolen device. Closing/limiting the bootloader however is very effective for annoying tinkering owners. And I reckon that currently the percentage tinkerers of the Jolla is higher than the industry standard.
Seriously guys, I don't see your problem.
I was hoping security would be high, if not the highest on the priority list. Now it seems like an oversight which might or might not be fixed in a future update.
Originally Posted by szopin
I'm quite productive when pooping. Just ask my toilet
With hwkb it should be quite easy to use that off-time for something productive.
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2013-12-27
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@ Finland
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@Venamo: thanks, I will have 2 days of holidays between this August to next May, and today was one of those days. :-]
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2013-12-27
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#137
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Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic
It is definitely, but the Jolla cannot survive on those. MfE (and any IS compliance it needs to implement) is something which might be worth tens of thousands of handsets sold to companies, tinkerers will find their way (with absurdly awesome helping hand from company itself, compare this to nokia TMO interaction, nokia what?), business users want lock code that works. If that passes test for compliance this is something Jolla has to have
And I reckon that currently the percentage tinkerers of the Jolla is higher than the industry standard.
Last edited by szopin; 2013-12-27 at 23:11.
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2013-12-27
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@ Czech Republic
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Originally Posted by szopin
On the under hands, who would make applications for your platform if you annoy your tinkerers ? I don't think those business users would write their own apps themselves...
It is definitely, but the Jolla cannot survive on those. MfE (and any IS compliance it needs to implement) is something which might be worth tens of thousands of handsets sold to companies, tinkerers will find their way (with absurdly awesome helping hand from company itself, compare this to nokia TMO interaction, nokia what?), business users want lock code that works. If that passes test for compliance this is something Jolla has to have
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2013-12-27
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#139
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Originally Posted by MartinK
So back to the argument that having workable android apps is going to scare everyone... thought we did this one already. Android apps take care of business users if the phone is certified. (IF)
On the under hands, who would make applications for your platform if you annoy your tinkerers ? I don't think those business users would write their own apps themselves...
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2013-12-27
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@ Israel
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#140
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Originally Posted by rainisto
It only means that you do what you actually like as you keep working on day off, it's good, but it's your decision
@Venamo: thanks, I will have 2 days of holidays between this August to next May, and today was one of those days. :-]