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2014-12-12
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#132
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Originally Posted by meet.vino
I've cited Sailfish on Nexus 4 just to compare battery usage in the same hardware, running Android 4 x Sailfish.
I thot I was discussing Sailfish on a Jolla, rather than Sailfish on a Nexus 4, which happens to have a 2 GB RAmM and a faster chipset.
I also have a Jolla smartphone, with last Sailfish version.
Sailfish on Jolla x Nexus 4 has about the same speed, for UI or calculations (I've made some benchmarks).
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Python, C/C++, Qt and CAS developer. For Maemo/MeeGo/Sailfish :
Integral, Derivative, Limit - calculating mathematical integrals, derivatives and limits. SymPy - Computer Algebra System.
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Sailfish : Sony Xperia X, Gemini, Jolla, Jolla C, Jolla Tablet, Nexus 4. Nokia N9, N900, N810.
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2014-12-12
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@ UK
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#133
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Originally Posted by tmi
I guess you are not a developer, are you? Switching an app from a full screen to half screen to 95% of the screen is a trivial operation. It has been around since before most TMO readers have even been born. Many apps do it on Maemo all the time.
Often (not always) having more options is better. In this case, if we would have a setting switch for showing a status bar or not, what would happen to the apps? Would they need to be scaled? Would they lose pixels up or down? Sorry, but I just don't see this happening anyway sensibly.
Or are you saying that Sailfish does not allow resizable windows? (I don't know yet, I only just started with Sailfish development. Can any developer suggest the closest Sailfish equivalent to Maemo's stacked windows?) That would explain a lot, including the weird split-screen target. But then, if that is really the case, then we have a much bigger problem than a missing status bar
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2014-12-12
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Originally Posted by meet.vino
I can fully understand this. In fact about six months ago, I had also problems with restarts... and you should have heard the laughter of my friends, it was not funny!! For some business calls it was totally embarassing for me. On the other hand I mocked them a lot about using closed ecosystem (while they are strongly against such developments in principle).
Morpog, I did that a long time ago and the restarts reduced drastically for a couple of months. [snip] Now imagine the same thing happening with a few colleagues of yours, especially those who have been mocking you for buying a phone they haven't heard of yet. Another chance for them to take a dig at you!! Can you now feel my frustration?!! [snip]
I am not a HATER! I want Jolla to succeed, all I ask is give me a solid product before you plan for the next one.
But both is ok, I respect them being pragmatic and I think despite their laughter they fully understand the potential value/importance in Jolla.
Fortunately the 'paper trick' fixed the restarts and I had no more problems with broken phone calls.
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2014-12-12
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#135
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Originally Posted by Morpog
Then I am afraid I have to agree with Dave999. Your attitude has more to do with uncritical fanboyism than with objective judgement.
I'm not against criticism, but it has to have a serious foundation.
A true love is when you are fully aware of the object of your love's shortcomings but you still love it (him, her) despite them. Being blind to them only leads to disappointment and broken hearts.
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2014-12-12
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@ Israel
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#136
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Originally Posted by Morpog
I don't need to leave, Jolla got invitation to have official part of forum here, but they went and opened TJC, so you can lave here and go there, especially as it's MAEMO.org
I'm so bored of the same ******** everytime. Can the haters just please leave and let us alone? We heard your rants so many times already, we don't need to hear it again and again. Just leave if you don't like how it is.
If you want to improve it, join OSS or community meetings from Jolla. The loudest people in here I never see there. I also don't see anyone contributing in open parts. So you are just interested in trolling and being poisonous.
EOD
And about what OSS you are talking exactly? And i was at first meeting btw and read logs of few latest. Btw the one where Stskeeps explaining that it was not cool that Marc called Sailfish OS opensource(as it's not) on adv of tablet, but again there was no update or statemement about it. So you can talk on those meetings as much as you can, nothing is done. As well as i was promised the sim problem explanation on TJC and IRC and the official statement was "email to support". So you can call me hater or whatever you want fanboy, but do not forget to do a ritual dance and prays for glory Jolla before you go to sleep.
Originally Posted by nthn
And if i'll provide you at least few phones with open source android you can buy?
Yeah, CyanogenMod. Not Android, not AOSP, but CyanogenMod. Let me just go to the shop and buy a phone with CyanogenMod on it - oh wait, I can't. Installing an aftermarket firmware on a phone isn't really what I would call 'a few clicks', and is not something I see anyone doing just like that. You can compare Google's Android and Jolla's Sailfish OS, but if you want to compare CyanogenMod with something, it's Mer Project and nothing else.
By the way, adding passive aggressive emoticons to your statements doesn't give them any more value.
https://oneplus.net/
http://global.oppo.com/
And add Nexus to phone you can easily root and get F-Droid or Replicant on it (100% OSS too)
Yes with last two firmwares you need to flash, but at least you can flash OSS system on your phone with few clicks and probably without bricking it( and option to unbrick it), while with Jolla you cant get Nemo easily there, and if so it would not work properly.
Whatever you say, android is more OSS. And yes i don't like Android and do not use it, and yet still as much we don't like it, it's more OSS and OSS friendly than Jolla
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About few click:
there is RomManager and i saw rooting apps on market. I don't see anything less easy than installing app and choosing ROM to install.
What else you want? Massage?
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2014-12-13
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#137
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Originally Posted by meet.vino
you can remove the paper and clean your battery contacts. it has a much better effect than the paper.
Morpog, I did that a long time ago and the restarts reduced drastically for a couple of months. But after updating to Uitukka, its started again. Just imagine you having you Jolla in your pant pockets, u can hear the phone ring, and before you can take it out, the ring stops and you find your phone restarting. Now imagine the same thing happening with a few colleagues of yours, especially those who have been mocking you for buying a phone they haven't heard of yet. Another chance for them to take a dig at you!! Can you now feel my frustration?!! And to rub salt into my wounds, I tried putting my phone on silent mode, the vibrator wont work. Now before you tell me to enable heptic feedback, I have it turned on!
I am not a HATER! I want Jolla to succeed, all I ask is give me a solid product before you plan for the next one.
i cleaned my contacts with a q-tip and a little bit od WD-40 some month ago and all problems were gone ever since.
it is a hardware problem: low quality contacts which are simply rusting / corrodating by time and hence get a higher impedance and cause these problems.
but as i said before, some WD-40 works miracles against rust
maybe there are better suitable products like contact spray, but i had only this and it helped.
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2014-12-13
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Originally Posted by rcolistete
Yep, this is quite evident, but is probably causing quite a lot of the community friction, as an above average percentage of Jolla users are more technically able/niche early adopters. So if you don't focus on a nice userbase while it makes a significant part of your users (or even more importantly a a very significant part of third party application developers), issues can arise.
I disagree. Jolla focus is not to reach a niche user base at all.
Originally Posted by chappi
For the record, I have to say I also have the random reboots and shutdowns and know about other local Jolla users having the same issues, so this unfortunately seems to be quite a frequent issue.... On the other hand, coming from the Neo FreeRunner legacy, I mostly consider the reboots to be just a power wasting nuisance as the Jolla boots quite quickly & I have a real mobile phone for calling anyway (6610i), so have no issues with dropped calls.
I can fully understand this. In fact about six months ago, I had also problems with restarts... and you should have heard the laughter of my friends, it was not funny!! For some business calls it was totally embarassing for me. On the other hand I mocked them a lot about using closed ecosystem (while they are strongly against such developments in principle).
Also just got a new Jolla battery today, so I'll try to exchange it with the current to see if it influences the reboots.
Originally Posted by ZogG
There was an updates of sorts - the controversial wording was quietly dropped from the Jolla tablet website & the campaign website. ;-)
Marc called Sailfish OS opensource(as it's not) on adv of tablet, but again there was no update or statemement about it.
But for sure it would be good to have an official statement now when the campaign & the funding round is over.
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2014-12-13
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Not an app developer, no. You are probably right. I was thinking too much in the sense of image cropping, resizing and changing ratios instead of windows containing elements.
I guess you are not a developer, are you? Switching an app from a full screen to half screen to 95% of the screen is a trivial operation. It has been around since before most TMO readers have even been born. Many apps do it on Maemo all the time.
But the screen/window size and lost pixels was not the only point. I am not convinced that the status bar holds any such information that you'd need to be able to see all the time. If the information was harder to obtain than the peek gesture I'd understand but currently I don't see the benefit of an added status bar.
In any case, I doubt the status bar will be an upcoming feature, even as an optional. To my understanding, the absence is a design principle plus according to the lack of TJC upvotes, not that greatly missed.
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2014-12-14
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#140
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So we have now entered one month of jolla no update air space? Wtf jolla slackers... 
Code freeze deluxe. No commits allowed. We are in holiday mode.
Sir, hands up, step away from the keyboard
Code freeze deluxe. No commits allowed. We are in holiday mode.
Sir, hands up, step away from the keyboard
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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
--> you underestimate the time it takes to make something 80, 90 100 % perfect
--> you underestimate how easy it is to err with time estimates
--> you underestimate how much already has been done, yes some parts are naked, but others covered with most beautiful silk ;-)
--> sometimes you could take a short cut when doing something hasty, but this is terrible longterm. E.g. Jolla said that they had many problems with updating to Qt5.2 but did not only fix for Qt5.2 but (afaiu) also give the fixes upstream for Qt5.3/5.4. It took longer but it's the correct way to do, especially if you are a small team.
I think everybody here wants Jolla to succeed (where would/could you go else?). But imho sailfish needs a little bit (one/two years) more time to mature. And some claims were probably a bit too early and/or broad (open source).