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russo_br	2010-04-16 , 16:56
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Originally Posted by skalogre

Look at it this way. With any major project (especially hardware/software) there will always be issues/defects. ALWAYS. Things aren't shipped when they are "bug free"

We, technology enthusiasts, are used to accept things this buggy way. That would not be acceptable for other products like a car. Technology market will eventually evolve in a way that users don't buy a product if it has a lot of defects, but right now there is no such option from none of the competitors.

	skalogre	2010-04-16 , 17:01
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Originally Posted by russo_br

We, technology enthusiasts, are used to accept things this buggy way. That would not be acceptable for other products like a car. Technology market will eventually evolve in a way that users don't buy a product if it has a lot of defects, but right now there is no such option from none of the competitors.

Heh. Whoever manages to work out a way to release products with a very very low number of defects, whether by development tools, methodologies et.c. will quite likely become a legend and filthy, filthy rich.

Not that every other field is defect free, far from it.

gabby131	2010-04-16 , 17:10
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still i cant see a feature that activates the front camera. (though the need for this is minimal)

	ysss	2010-04-16 , 17:21
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Originally Posted by skalogre

Heh. Whoever manages to work out a way to release products with a very very low number of defects, whether by development tools, methodologies et.c. will quite likely become a legend and filthy, filthy rich.

Not that every other field is defect free, far from it.

Make it as simple as possible. Never over-engineer\over-spec things.

SEE ALSO: Apple Inc.

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	skalogre	2010-04-16 , 17:24
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Originally Posted by ysss

Make it as simple as possible. Never over-engineer\over-spec things.

SEE ALSO: Apple Inc.

Making customers not care about serious defects because they love the brand is different from actually being nearly defect-free

	ysss	2010-04-16 , 17:27
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Originally Posted by skalogre

Making customers not care about serious defects because they love the brand is different from actually being nearly defect-free

That too

But it serves more as a PLAN B thing..

On the design front, they cut down everything unnecessary and make the product as simple as possible (more limited).... then they polish what's left.

russo_br	2010-04-16 , 17:30
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Originally Posted by skalogre

Heh. Whoever manages to work out a way to release products with a very very low number of defects, whether by development tools, methodologies et.c. will quite likely become a legend and filthy, filthy rich.

Not that every other field is defect free, far from it.

I know I am getting off-topic here, but anyway this thread is not that serious...

Yes, no every field will be defect free and even the car example have some recalls, and comparing with IT complexity is not that fair. But even in the IT SW & HW field, there are different demands for military use for example. The level of security and reliability are obviously greater than the ones for the general market.

The quantity of "acceptable" defects is driven by the product purpose and its target market. As we get more dependent of technology each day, mobile phone is also getting a lot of different uses. In a lot of countries people are already using their phones for payment transactions... In this example, if someone stops carrying the wallet and credit card trusting in their mobile, no doubt the SW & HW must be more bug free than today, specially in the security area.

gabby131	2010-04-16 , 17:31
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Pr 1.2 is probably not released until that damn volcano is done. Some hot shot from finland must fly to some stange location and sign a papper, press the BIG red release button before the world can reach PR 1.2.

I blame everything on that f***ing island at the moment. Can't fly home...Can't upgrade to PR 1.2.

Grr...anything else I can blame on that island? well, my english

men......is that the volcano that covers the air with freakin' thick ash?

	skalogre	2010-04-16 , 17:42
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Originally Posted by russo_br

I know I am getting off-topic here, but anyway this thread is not that serious...

Yes, no every field will be defect free and even the car example have some recalls, and comparing with IT complexity is not that fair. But even in the IT SW & HW field, there are different demands for military use for example. The level of security and reliability are obviously greater than the ones for the general market.

The quantity of "acceptable" defects is driven by the product purpose and its target market. As we get more dependent of technology each day, mobile phone is also getting a lot of different uses. In a lot of countries people are already using their phones for payment transactions... In this example, if someone stops carrying the wallet and credit card trusting in their mobile, no doubt the SW & HW must be more bug free than today, specially in the security area.

Maybe. I am not convinced that this will change anytime soon, though - even with extensive test automation, new coding standards et.c. things always fall through the cracks. But I may be wrong, hopefully

Laughing Man	2010-04-16 , 17:44
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Originally Posted by russo_br

We, technology enthusiasts, are used to accept things this buggy way. That would not be acceptable for other products like a car. Technology market will eventually evolve in a way that users don't buy a product if it has a lot of defects, but right now there is no such option from none of the competitors.

Actually with cars increasingly becoming more sophiscated computer wise, there's problems bound to happen (See Toyota recently). Though I believe those weren't the first. I think Ford or GM is starting to have that issue too.

I'm unfamilar with other platforms regarding the bug issue. Does Android and iPhone OS publicly list all the bug fixes and bugs in the system?

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Originally Posted by ysss