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2009-10-19
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Oh yeah, the "katana.garage.maemo.org" project has been registered and accepted and I added hogwash to it.
I don't know how his time is; but I know once I get sword up into extras; I will be really busy on some non-maemo stuff that I have to get done.
Hogwash and I still need to decide which of the frontends we want to use as a base (unless we really hate them all and decide to go from scratch -- which I don't think will happen, that seems like a lot of work).
So be patient; Rapier should be on the n900 shortly and it should work as well as it did on the n8x0...
Nathan.
I don't know how his time is; but I know once I get sword up into extras; I will be really busy on some non-maemo stuff that I have to get done.
Hogwash and I still need to decide which of the frontends we want to use as a base (unless we really hate them all and decide to go from scratch -- which I don't think will happen, that seems like a lot of work).
So be patient; Rapier should be on the n900 shortly and it should work as well as it did on the n8x0...
Nathan.
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2009-10-19
, 21:51
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#143
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Nathan, if you decide to use Qt for your framework, I'd be very interested in working with you.
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2009-10-19
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Originally Posted by joshn53
Actually that is our intent. The only reason I fixed Rapier was because I needed something to make sure that all the dependencies are compiled "properly" and working.
Nathan, if you decide to use Qt for your framework, I'd be very interested in working with you.
Hence my interest in what you were using. I'm not adverse to you joining at all. The more the merrier -- If you haven't followed the talk on the thread yet;
I raised either using BibleTime (It is a QT app) and revamping its interface for the mobile. Or taking GnomeSword/Xiphos and adding a Qt interface since GS is modular and has the engine separate from the interface making putting a new interface on it easier than any of the others. GS is the more mature product, so it might be worth the more work to make a new interface to use it. But I haven't looked at either yet.
I just got ICU submitted to the builder and it built it (I haven't got the results back on if it was success/failure yet)
Nathan.
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2009-10-20
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@ Virginia
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You've really put in a fine effort Nathan, I'm glad to be on your team 
Now that you've got the building blocks established on the Maemo5 platform, and brought Rapier 'back to life', you really have got us to a great launching point for developing a new GUI.
Regarding time - I am a pro SE, and I'm not getting paid for this, so I tend to squeeze my book-lernin' into lunches and evenings. I've got deadlines as I'm sure Nathan does. I'm extremely impressed that Nathan has got the entire stack including Rapier pushed into devel - he has arguably single-handedly got us to the 'critical mass' point where ongoing dev is progressively easier.
Kudos to Nathan
My thoughts regarding an 'attack plan' is to first spend some time exploring Qt and what I can do within the confines of the Maemo5/hildon environment....then (as Nathan suggested) start digging into BibleTime to see where a clean 'split' can be made (hopefully the code isn't so gnarly that this is impossible!). There should be a layer of code that deals with interacting with the Sword API - we can borrow heavily from this - and above this should be some presentation layer code that we can hopefully find a way to 'massage' into a new hildon-style GUI.
Everything I've just typed comes with the caveat "I'm a ***** and could be totally wrong"
Now that you've got the building blocks established on the Maemo5 platform, and brought Rapier 'back to life', you really have got us to a great launching point for developing a new GUI.
Regarding time - I am a pro SE, and I'm not getting paid for this, so I tend to squeeze my book-lernin' into lunches and evenings. I've got deadlines as I'm sure Nathan does. I'm extremely impressed that Nathan has got the entire stack including Rapier pushed into devel - he has arguably single-handedly got us to the 'critical mass' point where ongoing dev is progressively easier.
Kudos to Nathan
My thoughts regarding an 'attack plan' is to first spend some time exploring Qt and what I can do within the confines of the Maemo5/hildon environment....then (as Nathan suggested) start digging into BibleTime to see where a clean 'split' can be made (hopefully the code isn't so gnarly that this is impossible!). There should be a layer of code that deals with interacting with the Sword API - we can borrow heavily from this - and above this should be some presentation layer code that we can hopefully find a way to 'massage' into a new hildon-style GUI.
Everything I've just typed comes with the caveat "I'm a ***** and could be totally wrong"
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2009-10-20
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Hi all,
first of all thanks for the great effort to ease our needs
I would agree with the choice of using QT - since in Maemo 6 and onwards (?) QT will be used i don see why we should then port it again once M6 is there...
one curious question - why Katana and not just Sword? are we trying to make it interesting to the japanese users too?
as i mentioned earlier, i would love to help in anyway i can... me no hacking wizard though.. sadly... Might be getting a N900 in the next month.
regards,
wahlau.
first of all thanks for the great effort to ease our needs
I would agree with the choice of using QT - since in Maemo 6 and onwards (?) QT will be used i don see why we should then port it again once M6 is there...
one curious question - why Katana and not just Sword? are we trying to make it interesting to the japanese users too?
as i mentioned earlier, i would love to help in anyway i can... me no hacking wizard though.. sadly... Might be getting a N900 in the next month.
regards,
wahlau.
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2009-10-20
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Regarding time: don't sweat guys. The Bible took a long time to write. Those of us wanting this device can wait (we don't have n900s yet, anyway!)
Someone nudge me when there's something to test after the release date.
And thanks to all of you.
Someone nudge me when there's something to test after the release date.
And thanks to all of you.
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2009-10-20
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Originally Posted by Hogwash
Well, I have both ICU and CLucene submitted successfully and built, also optified. So the next library I am going to try and get up today is sword and the python-sword interface and then Pierre can upload the modified Rapier source I sent him.
Now that you've got the building blocks established on the Maemo5 platform, and brought Rapier 'back to life', you really have got us to a great launching point for developing a new GUI.
Regarding time - I am a pro SE, and I'm not getting paid for this, so I tend to squeeze my book-lernin' into lunches and evenings.
[quote]I've got deadlines as I'm sure Nathan does. I'm extremely impressed that Nathan has got the entire stack including Rapier pushed into devel - he has arguably single-handedly got us to the 'critical mass' point where ongoing dev is progressively easier.
Actually I haven't got the whole stack into extras yet. I have to wait until the dependent libraries are in extras before I can work on the "sword" library. ICU and CLucene are finally now in; so unless I make some mistake the Sword library should up and working later today.
I also have passed all of my changes to make Rapier work back to Pierre since he has decided to maintain it in fremantle. So it will be in his ballpark to upload it to extras once I'm done with the support libraries.
My thoughts regarding an 'attack plan' is to first spend some time exploring Qt and what I can do within the confines of the Maemo5/hildon environment....then (as Nathan suggested) start digging into BibleTime to see where a clean 'split' can be made (hopefully the code isn't so gnarly that this is impossible!). There should be a layer of code that deals with interacting with the Sword API - we can borrow heavily from this - and above this should be some presentation layer code that we can hopefully find a way to 'massage' into a new hildon-style GUI.
Everything I've just typed comes with the caveat "I'm a ***** and could be totally wrong"
Nathan
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2009-10-20
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Originally Posted by wahlau
Well "Sword" is the underlying library and also the name of the Windows interface. It would be in bad taste to take the libraries name that does a lot of the hard work for our application. Now maybe "MaemoSword" would work, but I read somewhere that the recommendation was not to use Maemo in application names any more.
one curious question - why Katana and not just Sword? are we trying to make it interesting to the japanese users too?
The reason why I suggested Katana was that a several of "Sword" based bible programs uses a type of "Sword" name. Like Rapier, or Xiphos. Katana actually is a lot more known "sword" type than most and it is a "thin/fast" blade. Hopefully our product will be thin and fast where it counts. ;-)
as i mentioned earlier, i would love to help in anyway i can... me no hacking wizard though.. sadly... Might be getting a N900 in the next month.
Nathan
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2009-10-20
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If y'all need help I am more than happy to lend a hand. I'm a developer in the daytime, but I wouldn't mind helping out where I can at night.
I have only played around with development for Maemo, but I have worked on some C++ applications using Qt 4 (On Linux).
Btw, I do have the n900 on pre-order so whenever it finally gets here I can do some testing as well. So, until then my development efforts are confined to the sdk and my n800 for now.
I have only played around with development for Maemo, but I have worked on some C++ applications using Qt 4 (On Linux).
Btw, I do have the n900 on pre-order so whenever it finally gets here I can do some testing as well. So, until then my development efforts are confined to the sdk and my n800 for now.
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In fact right now my computer is compiling ICU in the background as the last test before I submit it as another maemo/optified package to extras. (I've already got clucene up). Once I have all three libraries (still need to upload sword, but it need clucene and icu) installed in extras. I will start looking at front ends. Once I get the sword library up; Pierre will be able to upload the latest rapier (I sent him the fixes) and anyone with a n900 should be able to get it out of extras-testing or extras-devel.
Nathan