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2009-12-29
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Originally Posted by ragnar
And your point is? Are you pro or con transparency?
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2009-12-29
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Originally Posted by hihai411
Has anyone dug up such a statement yet?
The way I see it is if Nokia stated there will be a firmware update available by the end of the year to download than I will hold them to it. Thats how it works, you give someone your word you come through, it's not about whining or trolling, its quite simple imo, if a large and well respected company releases a statement like that I will hold them to it, period.
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2009-12-30
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[QUOTE=Texrat;445964]Has anyone dug up such a statement yet?[/QUOTE
Thats just going off what I read on this thread that someone wrote Nokia had stated they will have it out by end of year. I myself am not saying Nokia made such a statement but if they had made such a statement I don't see why as a consumer we wouldn't be able to hold them to it.
Thats just going off what I read on this thread that someone wrote Nokia had stated they will have it out by end of year. I myself am not saying Nokia made such a statement but if they had made such a statement I don't see why as a consumer we wouldn't be able to hold them to it.
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2009-12-30
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox
That question is a bit odd - I think there is no definite one-size-fits-all answer; then again "it depends" is also a boring answer. Transparency as such isn't good or bad. The question is about its application.
And your point is? Are you pro or con transparency?
Let's say that I used to be a lot more idealistic and open towards transparency in the past. The more experience I have with it, of all the various real world implications it creates, the more questions and challenges it raises. this is not to say that those couldn't be solved in a positive manner, but it is to say that it isn't as easy as "just do it".
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2009-12-30
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Originally Posted by chrisp7
There's more one way to read that, and I don't know quite what the original Swedish says, but in my English "expected to be" does not mean the same as "will be". It means "we expect, but we don't have enough information to make a commitment yet".
For full compatibility with all Swedish operators' SIM cards we recommend updating to version 1.1, which is expected to be available for download at the end of December 09th"
Ergo, that is not a promise to release in December.
Still, with the 3 SIM fix available internally they can't be doing themselves many favours in the markets where people are contractually bound to their 3 contracts, or in my case, where I want to use them only because it gets me free calls to my most significant other people.
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2009-12-30
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#146
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i read too somewhere that a firmware was expected to be released before christmas but i didnt really expect it too.
funny how words can be played to mean what you want it to mean and what you not want them to mean.
most of what ive read came from people reviewing the phone who said there will be or expects a firmware update before christmas/new year. i would assume that nokia told them that but then again, you know what happens when you assume....
funny how words can be played to mean what you want it to mean and what you not want them to mean.
most of what ive read came from people reviewing the phone who said there will be or expects a firmware update before christmas/new year. i would assume that nokia told them that but then again, you know what happens when you assume....
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2009-12-30
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This is the closest many of you will see to a promise about a firmware update: http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/25/n...e-update-pr11/
Note the source.
The only other verified mention of a firmware update was already relayed by Tomas in this thread, at least one thread that I was corrected on weeks ago, and tons of other threads. There was never a promise, just an note of expected release.
Yes, this is hard as beans to understand if you aren't in any kind of software development for a major corporation with some semblance of organizational efficiency... but expectations are just that, expectations. I'm currently on a project that was delayed 4+ weeks because of legal language on a user acceptance screen - things happen. Until the month is over, or a better statement is released, let it go.
Note the source.
The only other verified mention of a firmware update was already relayed by Tomas in this thread, at least one thread that I was corrected on weeks ago, and tons of other threads. There was never a promise, just an note of expected release.
Yes, this is hard as beans to understand if you aren't in any kind of software development for a major corporation with some semblance of organizational efficiency... but expectations are just that, expectations. I'm currently on a project that was delayed 4+ weeks because of legal language on a user acceptance screen - things happen. Until the month is over, or a better statement is released, let it go.
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2009-12-30
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Originally Posted by ARJWright
Man, no kidding!
understand if you aren't in any kind of software development for a major corporation with some semblance of organizational efficiency... but expectations are just that, expectations. I'm currently on a project that was delayed 4+ weeks because of legal language on a user acceptance screen - things happen. Until the month is over, or a better statement is released, let it go.
At the very least I've learned you can add 1 week to every software migration deadline and be correct much more often than the original schedule... and that's just for internal stuff.
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2009-12-30
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Originally Posted by ewan
Why is everyone calling it a "firmware". Is this the term Nokia is using? Just curious. Seems like a term more suited to BIOSes, controller chips, dumb phones, and SCSI adapters and HBA's.
He didn't say that. He said you don't upgrade the firmware by reflashing the device, you upgrade it by installing newer packages, just like on a normal size computer.
N900 seems like we should be using more desktop terms like "Operating system, distro, build, reinstall." Seems like "reinstall the OS with the latest build" sounds more appropriate for the n900 than "reflash the firmware".
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2009-12-30
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Originally Posted by Tomaszd
I can't believe that someone from a customers perspective says something like that. I really hate non-communication, not only in the IT. Why do so many companies believe, just shutting everything down when a problem occurs and waiting until the dust has settled will make anyone happier? Especially why do customers want to be treated like this? I had no problem with it when Nokia would say sorry, we were to drunk after our x-mas party so the firmware update will be released in January. No problem with that. But if Nokia already knows that they can't make it this year, they still have the chance, than why the hell should the community still speculate wether it will be released this year? This is not really user-friendly.
What Nokia will learn from this experience is that they won't communicate any dates in the future. I actually hope this happens, so that those clueless people will shut the hell up about those imaginary "promises". Better keep the community in the dark and release when it's ready than experience turning their communicated possible dates into clueless moanfests.
Apart from that, the people that are ranting about the delay will rant whatever will be communicated, but the vast majority would probably appreciate any information given. Just doing nothing in fear of someone will be talking negative about it is no solution.
Originally Posted by Tomaszd
The criticism is not about Nokia being worse than their competitors, but about not using the chance of real openness, same as google with android by the way. And Nokia is contributing to a lot of open-source projects, so open communication, release early, release often and discussing even strategic dicissions in public should not be unknown to them. Would have been a great chance to bring such values to the smartphone market.
This is a side effect of attempting more transparency, which I think you are not appreciating, it's not working out very well. Look at what Apple is doing, not only do they develop their products in total secret (and I mean total secret, I saw N900 prototypes way before it was released to the public), the software upgrades are also developed in secret (community tests of firmware upgrades for the iPhone? Are you kidding me?), so are the release dates. No-one from the company officially says anything, so there is nothing to moan about by the ******s in the community, on the contrary, every release is mass hysteria, also conducted mostly by ******s, by the way.
And I really hate it when such chances are wasted.
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