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#141
Originally Posted by ysss View Post
May I just say that many of the 'claims' of whether a company is 'good' or 'evil' are just conjectures.. or 'impressions' at best, without concrete proof of said claims.
Yes you may...

In such cases, and what I think the point of this thread may be is:

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I followed benny1967's premise that was illustrated very well in my quote from ndi's recent post.

Whether Google is or ain't is conjecture. What Google has produced though is concrete.

...and likewise.

Whether Nokia is or ain't is also conjecture. Why Nokia hasn't produced up to this point has been conjecture too. However, the impression that they have left by this inaction are made in rapidly setting concrete.
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Looking for perfection or holding a corporation to your personal high standards will generally end in disappointment. It's always been about the lesser evil and the most good. Nokia decided to get in bed with FOSS (most good). Maybe they can't **** worth a damn and they stole your wallet on the way out, but for plenty of us [qwerty12 not included] it's been better than blue balls (lesser evil).

Sorry, but car analogies bore me.
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#143
The Reg have picked up the story:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...a_n900_update/
 

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Oh, we're stooping to unsubstantiated hearsay here now?
Ok, let me rephrase pending verification or refutal: remote install may already be there. Though I find the lack of official response disturbing, something for the council to take up with Nokia perhaps?

You know, I wouldn't have believed this for a second either before the cherry thing came to light. Trust is a very precious thing and quite hard to repair once damaged...
 

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Originally Posted by kureyon View Post
The Reg have picked up the story:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...a_n900_update/
"Both N900 owners in uproar"

What a dick. I wonder how many accounts he has at tmo.
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#146
Originally Posted by Crashdamage View Post
You should do some troubleshooting.
Could be.I've seen similar result from other people. Must be some oddball software. Still, I'm not bothered by a reboot on my own terms.

Originally Posted by Crashdamage View Post
(Snip long list of Google services and fanboisms)
I resent that. Being honest is not fanboism, especially since the following paragraph lists them as scanning my email and tracking my searches. But, it's your view, after all if you didn't dismiss my argument as fanboism (and you didn't) you are free to have whatever opinion you want.

Originally Posted by Crashdamage View Post
But I would never ever trust Google Docs, Gmail, GV, etc. to keep private stuff private, safe and secure. Google is not truly 'free'. And for the most part, I'm not willing to pay Google's price.
Who is? Well, I am, I have stuff in my email, but for docs voice I use it because I don't really care about most of my documents. I open stuff like shop offers in Excel, read some dolt's .DOC attachment because he can't understand the concept of email, etc.

Will I use Google Docs to open a document that's important? No.

However, this isn't the point. The point is that I KNOW that by using Google Docs I give them the document. The button says "Upload D:\Admin\Document.doc".

Originally Posted by Crashdamage View Post
But to think Google or many other companies are less evil about such things strikes me as cherry-picking naivete.
I never said that, sorry if it seemed implied. What I said is that I allow Google a higher level of evilness because it helps me in return. I also said that Google asks, Nokia takes. To me, that's a whooper of a difference.

I'd give a dollar to a person I don't even know if they are one dollar short. But try to swipe if from my hand and it's zero-to-personal in 1.2 seconds.

Originally Posted by BatPenguin View Post
I don't see any reason to think that Nokia is somehow "more good" than any of the other companies mentioned here. Their track record on privacy certainly doesn't prove it. Don't make assumptions on their Dungeons & Dragons alignment just because you happen to like their devices and dislike those of the others.
There is no "good" and no "evil" it's just people trying to get points across using mismatched concepts. There is no "good" company.

A company is a group of people hell bent on making profit. That's it, that's the definition. They are all evil. There isn't a scale from -5 evil to +5 good. It's simply an a*sh**e-meter that goes from 0 to 10, with zero being people that think that cost plus a small sum is a good plan for business, and there's 10 where they think that being aggressive pays more.

Many people consider Apple to be evil. They're not, it's just that companies need to exploit assets, otherwise they are lost. Apple exploits a use base that think having better finished devices is better, because it gives them a right to be smug. And they are going to pay twice because they EXPECT to pay twice for "quality". Don't charge them twice and you lost money.

Nokia has buzz and brand name on its side. Everybody loves the next Nokia phone, so they keep releasing, fueling this insane "latest" Nokia war. People with 6months+ models are "old".

Google has immense user base. If you charge 1$ per search, you lose them, You need to charge them 1/100 of a cent each, so they don't feel it. How do you charge everyone without asking their card number? Ads.

Everyone does this. Having a name, a user base, etc are all potential assets, potential money. To get actual money, you need to sell it. Either all at once, or in little pieces.
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#147
Originally Posted by CommunityCouncil View Post
The Maemo Community Council raised with Nokia the issue that upgrading to Maemo 5 PR1.2 forces the user to subscribe, via SMS, to the "MyNokia" service. The user has no ability to opt-out: it's either subscribe or don't use the device.

Nokia have, to their credit, engaged in the bug report about this, #10366, and have also sent us an official response:

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Give us Flash plugin 10 with Graphical acceleration and fully working port of MeeGo and we will forget about the harm done.
 
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
Ok, let me rephrase pending verification or refutal: remote install may already be there. Though I find the lack of official response disturbing, something for the council to take up with Nokia perhaps?
Guilty until proven innocent, then? I'd just as soon not trust the word of some random forum user immediately.

Yes, I, too, would like to see an official statement, though.
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Posted before, but I'd like to bring that to your discussion.
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Originally Posted by ndi View Post
Posted before, but I'd like to bring that to your discussion.
Even though it's been reported and backed up by a few people; it'll invariably get overlooked by some folks due to the fact it's still unconfirmed.
 
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