Originally Posted by danramos

What happened to the advantages of an "open-source' operating system and all those wonderful comments floating around about "future proofing" these Internet Tablets with community support whenever Nokia moves on to its new devices. I've yet to see Nokia provide the community with the support it needs to backport Fremantle to our N800's, the way they outright announced that they would. What happened to all that wonderful talk gave about how they contribute so much back to open-source and how they were all about open-development and open-source and open this and that?

To bring up the even BETTER point that a previous genuinely intelligent commenter brought up, what happened to the idea that this was supposed to be a mobile COMPUTER, rather than a phone? If I go down your road of looking at other phones and their support, then I must restate for the record what an incredibly poor phone these Maemo devices have been--even the N900 which has a genuine cellphone radio in it and was sold as a phone. A crippled phone at that.

Do I even need to drag my Motorola Droid back into this? I recieved FAR more official OTA incremental *AND* major upgrades than the N900 did--both phones being released at nearly the same time, by the way. It appears that although the Droid wasn't promised the next major upgrade, it might just be coming after all. There's already a beta build from source-code floating around for the rooted crowd which I'm trying to avoid until it's not-beta. I'm told it's only days away from release. How long until you get your next major upgrade? Incremental? Hello? Anything?

If you're going to start comparing phone support to phone support, try bothering to look around first at the competition--you sound daft on ALL your counts. Nokia should be ashamed of its upgrade support and customer support history--a hollow soulless limbo.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Relax guys! N900 is a undefeated champion. That means it is the best of the best!



Its simply too great to get any update...

Originally Posted by gerbick

Chump don' want no help, chump don't get da' help.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing

"who gives a crap about other companies and how they do the business."

Yeah, there are ALOT of people here whining about "I should have bought an Andoid instead" or "Nokia should going Android" blablabla..

So maybe you should ask all those people the same as you ask me!!?

Maybe THEY are payed by Google or working for HTC!?

People here should not be so damn naive all phones has problems! I am sure same people whining exatly the same if they bought an HTC and found that the also lacks updates or have other problems! if you and others wants updates every month then you probadly have to pay alot more for the HW.

And btw. security updates? Give me an example were this is an problem on N900? I am not an expert but in the Linux world security fixes is updated far more often than in the windows case.

Btw. Non other OS is updated forever. Just take a look att Microsoft that is releasing a new bigversions every third year or so... And all people is paying for it without even whining!

And no I am not a Nokia employer or in theyr PR department. But I prefer real OS:es like Meego Linux instead of broken Linux OS like Android that why I am "Lobbying" for Meego/QT at my "freetime".

Originally Posted by danramos

Rhyming doesn't make it a truer statement.





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So wait.. first you said no other OS is updated forever, using Microsoft as an example, then you claim to love Linux (an OS which appears to have been created in 1991 and continues to receive updates). I'm not sure which side of the argument you're standing on.

By the way--how WOULD you know whether or not you've been infected if you don't have security software and an updated kernel that can detect or prevent any new infections since the kernel was patched or updated? Just curious about where you're coming from with your argument. It feels... unscientific.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing

What I meant is OS is not updated without profit and new money in. Not even Linux.

As we all know alot o the kernel maintainers is employed indirecly in some way.

Originally Posted by danramos

Clearly, clearly. And we know a lot of the kernel maintainers are also contributing without direct employment. I'm still not sure which side you were arguing and you still didn't respond to my questions about security updates. I'd like to know why so many businesses are so concerned about security updates, and see how well they would survive if you're correct. It seems as if you're making the argument of "security through obscurity." If that's the case, I urge you to read up on the subject.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing

I dont get whatg you mean now?

The security question was an directly answer to "somedude"

who claimed: "make it better or atleast fix some security holes"

So my question was what security holes is thetre in N900 that he knows about?

Originally Posted by atilla

no chance against dan if he gets in discuss-trance.

Originally Posted by danramos

How about every security hole that the kernel maintainers have patched against ever since the kernel you're currently running. (Correct me if I'm wrong, somedude.) I think he's simply asking that the kernel is maintained like a proper open-source OS on a computer should be, not languished the way most closed-minded phone devices are.



discuss-trance shark FTW