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2011-01-31 , 09:15
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#141
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
It's not that the US is the only place that creates standards for their phones. Case in point, TD-SCDMA in China. I could probably conjure up a few others.
I am from India. Here it is not like we are only using GSM. We have CDMA (may be 1/3rd, I am not sure) too. But it costs an absolute "0" for anyone to change carriers. The concept of people getting locked to a carrier is infact an unheard thing to majority of the people here. Because of this (NO carrier lock), the pricing is always competitive. Indian Govt has done its fair part by subsidizing telecom license prices here and as a result, the benefit is directly being passed to the end consumer. The mobile revolution in India is a case study in itself. US can take a look at it if it wants.

And the US government is not the only place prone to lobbying. I fear that you paint the US in a way that makes it so unique without acknowledging that what you state happens in basically every other country in one way or another.
I am afraid I am not painting anything. It is a fact. US is a businessman's playground. It brings both good and bad. If you accept the good, then you have ideally voted to accept the bad also.


How do you care to actually pay for all of those changes? It's already one of the more expensive places to own a phone.
Why should everyone in the US pay extra charges to the carrier? Is it not the Govt's responsibility to subsidize these things if it is being used by so many people and if it can make things better for so many people and if it gets easy on so many peoples pockets? Don't they spend money on NASA and those moon missions? Oh and those nuclear weapons?

I will say one thing... the so-called death grip is really important if you're a Nokia fan in the US. Otherwise, people really don't migrate as much - even when it was a more even playing field when everybody was CDMA or TDMA. I unlocked a Cincinnati Bell Nokia 7160 to work on Suncom's network without incident. Didn't net me one damn discount.
Didn't understand actually. Sorry for my bad english.

Same applies now. Anyway, until the FCC forces all of the carriers to play fair, bow down and play nice with the same GSM frequencies like all of the other countries of the world; we'll continue to have this fractured, out-dated system that is easier to discuss how it should be fix than it truly is to fix it.
I wish good luck for you. But I doubt the path will be so easy & clear. There will be some catch somewhere. But again, I honestly wish good luck for the people in US. You have been enough cheated already. (I am not being satiric here).


Simply stated; talk is real cheap. The fix will not be cheap.
The question here is, is the fix needed? If yes, then why would you worry about the cost? US spends so much money for so many other useless things and I am very very sure it has enough money (read: debt) to spend for this also.

Disclaimer: My intent is only for a healthy debate. If you feel my statements hurt your love towards your country, then please accept my apologizes. I will not comment on this topic any further.
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2011-01-31 , 20:57
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#142
Of course this blog entry published today by the Qt people at Nokia doesn't directly mention a MeeGo device, let alone one made by Nokia... But it doesn't sound like "Nokia pulled the plug, let's forget about it" either.
 

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2011-01-31 , 21:13
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
Of course this blog entry published today by the Qt people at Nokia doesn't directly mention a MeeGo device, let alone one made by Nokia... But it doesn't sound like "Nokia pulled the plug, let's forget about it" either.
I can't see Nokia pulling the plug on Meego as of course Intel will still want to push on with the project. However to crack the US market I can still see either a Meego/WebOS tie up or something around Android or WP7.

I sense there will be something more annouced by Elop on the 11th other than "we are still on track with Meego" otherwise I can see the share price taking a nose dive and Nokia losing even more of the smartphone market share.
 
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2011-01-31 , 21:41
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sounds to me like they are going to scrap symbian s60v5/s^3/maemo/meego all together and start over from scratch....AGAIN!


muahahahahah....i just couldnt resist.


here is what we know for sure...nokia is going to announce something, elop said so, it will be approx 12 days from today, depending on what part of the world you are in, it will have something to do with nokia and technology.

nuff said! :P
 
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2011-01-31 , 22:06
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#145
everyone should ask themselves.. does Nokia have the software engineering talent to pull this off??

Name 5 'applications' that are world-class from Nokia, i.e an application thats better than anything out there. I can only name a few

- microb browser. Probably the best mobile browser out there.
- Nokia internet radio. Pretty cool, works as advertised.
???

I can name numerous that are simply dreadful when compared the the competition
Nokia mail, Symbian web browser, Symbian/Maemo picture gallery, Maemo Music player, Calendar, Nokia maps (not even close to google maps) etc etc

I seriously don't think Nokia has the software talent, good engineers are hard enough to hire these days with Goolgle,facebook,microsoft gobbling up all the good ones...
 

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2011-01-31 , 22:09
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I seriously don't think Nokia has the software talent, good engineers are hard enough to hire these days with Goolgle,facebook,microsoft gobbling up all the good ones...
Not everyone wants to work for Facebook, Microsoft, or Google. And don't go saying that the only ones who wouldn't are "bad," you'd just be insulting lots of good engineers.
 

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2011-01-31 , 22:27
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Not everyone wants to work for Facebook, Microsoft, or Google. And don't go saying that the only ones who wouldn't are "bad," you'd just be insulting lots of good engineers.
To build a world-class OS and applications you need good engineers. The pool of good engineers is very very small, you would know this if you if you gave interviews. 1 out of 30-50 interviews yield 'must hires'.

The chances of hiring good engineers is simply reduced with microsoft,google,facebook taking them all.

Of course you can find very good engineers outside of those 3 companies but I can guess you that NOKIA is not on their short list unless they are in Finland.

Nokia has not showed any consistent software engineering strength because they cannot attract enough talent who can 'product' fully working apps (not just dinky demos).
.. name 5 world class Nokia apps..
 

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2011-01-31 , 22:38
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Not everyone wants to work for Facebook, Microsoft, or Google. And don't go saying that the only ones who wouldn't are "bad," you'd just be insulting lots of good engineers.
Not everyone, no. But then, what you're saying is like saying, "80% of people suffer from hemorrhoids, the remainder enjoy it." I'm pretty sure most people would tend to prefer to work for one of those--likely for a good reason.

Edit: Yes, I effectively compared willingly preferring to work at Nokia to enjoying hemorrhoids.
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2011-01-31 , 22:43
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Not everyone, no. But then, what you're saying is like saying, "80% of people suffer from hemorrhoids, the remainder enjoy it."
Ok, so not working for those companies is a painful, uncomfortable experience? That's a pretty narrow point of view. Extremely so, I dare say.

Ah, who cares. No sense in suggesting that qualified engineers might not want to work for those companies. It simply isn't possible!
 

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Originally Posted by vkv.raju View Post
I am from India. Here it is not like we are only using GSM. We have CDMA (may be 1/3rd, I am not sure) too. But it costs an absolute "0" for anyone to change carriers. The concept of people getting locked to a carrier is infact an unheard thing to majority of the people here. Because of this (NO carrier lock), the pricing is always competitive. Indian Govt has done its fair part by subsidizing telecom license prices here and as a result, the benefit is directly being passed to the end consumer. The mobile revolution in India is a case study in itself. US can take a look at it if it wants.
The revolution in India, or most any Asian country is something to behold. However - and this is being brutally honest - the average American is downright clueless about any other region in terms of what sells/does not sell there. The whole world has passed the US by in terms of how our carriers treat their customers.

It doesn't cost anything to switch carriers only if you're not under contract - I know, dirty word - but for most folks, they are under contract. I'm currently under contract; but will pay/take the ETF (early termination fee) only if I have to. But at the same time, I'm in an area where T-Mobile does not cover me at all really.

I am afraid I am not painting anything. It is a fact. US is a businessman's playground. It brings both good and bad. If you accept the good, then you have ideally voted to accept the bad also.
I've traveled and lived overseas... every country is a businessman's playground.

Why should everyone in the US pay extra charges to the carrier?
It's not that we pay extra charges. It's that it is more expensive here. More space, more towers... well, that's their excuse. I don't agree.

We're getting fleeced. But until the masses revolt or something truly changes the monopolies here, it'll remain as such.

Is it not the Govt's responsibility to subsidize these things if it is being used by so many people and if it can make things better for so many people and if it gets easy on so many peoples pockets? Don't they spend money on NASA and those moon missions? Oh and those nuclear weapons?
No, it's not the government's responsibility to subsidize something as frivolous as cellphones. The FCC, a government agency, regulates the airwaves, limits the monopolies somewhat (and fails).

NASA, nuclear weapons and the Moon missions do not equate to the stuff you're talking about. In fact, NASA is funded by the government as an endeavor, not as a true agency.

I wish good luck for you. But I doubt the path will be so easy & clear. There will be some catch somewhere. But again, I honestly wish good luck for the people in US. You have been enough cheated already. (I am not being satiric here).
More than luck is needed. But at the same time, more understanding from people in other countries is needed. The poor attempts of apples to apples comparisons with other country systems is... quite inaccurate.

The question here is, is the fix needed? If yes, then why would you worry about the cost? US spends so much money for so many other useless things and I am very very sure it has enough money (read: debt) to spend for this also.
In the US, since the majority of the network deployments are overseen by private companies (ie. AT&T) that have to purchase the rights to broadcast on certain frequencies from the FCC and those costs invariably are passed along to us.

If you're looking for an analogous situation to compare that to; you will have to go back to the 1980's to mid-90's Central American telcos. Seriously... the system is that dated and backwards.

Disclaimer: My intent is only for a healthy debate. If you feel my statements hurt your love towards your country, then please accept my apologizes. I will not comment on this topic any further.
Pfft. Nothing of the sort. I'm just raising awareness at the same time as discussing openly the pros and cons of a market that clearly is as archaic as it is easy to misunderstand.

If anything, the problems it present are what Nokia has to wrap their head around.
 

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