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2012-04-07
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In maemo you can even be on PR1.0 if you like, no one forces you. But no-one forces devs to cater for PR1.0 users either. Pushing cssu as an official firmware, doesn't mean you have to upgrade. It means developers will not need to worry about supporting ancient firmware.
read it backwards please
new and useful packages are locked out of extras because it lacks newer packages. Devs are forced to work around Qt 4.7.0 bugs because of that making their life harder, and perfectly stable apps that need CSSU or PK features are held back.
Last edited by qwazix; 2012-04-07 at 20:41.
SSU runs pretty stable with anything you may get from extras, @ least. some -testing or -devel only packages require advanced features only available in PK, thus that seems unavoidable...
new and useful packages are locked out of extras because it lacks newer packages. Devs are forced to work around Qt 4.7.0 bugs because of that making their life harder, and perfectly stable apps that need CSSU or PK features are held back.
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Originally Posted by qwazix
versus
Now I'd like to share some thoughts about what is being discussed here.
At first, I think the N900vsN9 thing is ridiculous. N9 is still a rebranded maemo, the toolchains for developing on both devices are the same, and applications can be cross compiled easily. And having an advanced and easy to use toolchain for the N9 has made me among others take the plunge and start making apps for maemo. Knowing that the N900 is a more capable device, and because thankfully the easy toolchain has been backported to fremantle has given us an incentive to develop for the N900 too. So please stop that us vs them thing because a big percentage of maemoers which is getting bigger every day belong both to 'us' and 'them'. I could see a slight reasoning behind the distinction if the N9 was the mass market device it was designed to be but it is not, it is just another maemo device for the enthusiast (the N900 when launched was the next big thing, the N9 was DOA). Also the N9 runs something that resembles fremantle more than meego proper so poor guys trying to do something linux-y have more chance to find a solution here than over at meego.com
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Originally Posted by freemangordon
what is it now?
Hm, I am "converted one" for sure, but anyway...
How you are going to convince Harmatan developers to backport stuff to fremantle if they have to twist their code so much, that at the end of the day it becomes not a backport, but another project? Take qmltube for example - backporting to CSSU Fremantle is a matter of re-packaging and some namespace tweaking AIUI. Ask marxian what costs him to keep it compatible with PR1.3.
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2012-04-07
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@misterc which exactly part is not clear 
. To backport from Harmattan to Fremantle without much trouble you need Qt 4.7.4, thus my point
. To backport from Harmattan to Fremantle without much trouble you need Qt 4.7.4, thus my point
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2012-04-07
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Originally Posted by freemangordon
i have Qt 4.7 whatever installed on my N900s, without CSSU (soon, again)
@misterc which exactly part is not clear
Qwazix doesn't mention CSSU once in his post.
you claim it is not possible without...
what is it?
Originally Posted by freemangordon
didn't count, guesstimate a couple hundreds, give or take
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Re the count of the users - you may check the thanks number in opening posts on original CSSU thread and on the newer threads, that should be enough for at least some approximation.
how many N900 (& now N9) users?
a couple millions (give or take
)i think you make my point more then yours...
and don't blame NOKIA if they don't only care about a couple hundred geeks.
they are nice to have if they provide apps & fixes but... it simply doesn't compute for any company to cater only for that clientele...
then again, if we could convince NOKIA do distribute CSSU as PR1.4, but i think CSSU isn't quite ready for that, yet, is it?
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2012-04-07
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Yes I didn't mention it but that is what I was advocating. CSSU pushed as official update. And please read my last post again as I edited it just after posting, but you had already replied when I finished the edit so you probably missed the edit.
Should be more that is the point. Not many users come here often but most of them install updates when available on their device
I don't say we disguise CSSU as coming from Nokia, nobody wants that. I just feel that all users should be notified for the existence of CSSU stable and given the choice to update.
my opinion is that it is more than ready
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how many users are running ccau anyway
I don't say we disguise CSSU as coming from Nokia, nobody wants that. I just feel that all users should be notified for the existence of CSSU stable and given the choice to update.
my opinion is that it is more than ready
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2012-04-08
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Originally Posted by qwazix
copy that, now, indeed
Yes I didn't mention it but that is what I was advocating. CSSU pushed as official update. And please read my last post again as I edited it just after posting, but you had already replied when I finished the edit so you probably missed the edit.
Originally Posted by qwazix
not talking about disguising, only suggested that we offer it to NOKIA as such.
Should be more that is the point. Not many users come here often but most of them install updates when available on their device
I don't say we disguise CSSU as coming from Nokia, nobody wants that. I just feel that all users should be notified for the existence of CSSU stable and given the choice to update.
i know, they don't seem very interested in N900 / Fremantle anymore, but they released PR1.3.1, didn't they?
if they don't have anything to do but label it PR1.4, maybe it'll fly?
Originally Posted by qwazix
i'm about the flash / flush CSSU (stable) out of my primary N900
my opinion is that it is more than ready
sorry, but you'll have to do better then that to convince me
can provide you FAM's slist if that's any help...
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I don't have many applications installed but I've been using cssu testing from the beginning on two devices and I didn't had any stability problems. I'm not trying to convince you just try again, maybe its something else wrong.
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Originally Posted by qwazix
i'll proceed by elimination
I don't have many applications installed but I've been using cssu testing from the beginning on two devices and I didn't had any stability problems. I'm not trying to convince you just try again, maybe its something else wrong.
1st PK v50 + ~130 apps
if that works smoothly (as i expect it will) i'll try CSSU testing then, maybe?
should i install it 1st (i.e. after reflashing & before installing anything else) or last?
then i'll have to cut back to the bare minimum and add one by one, to see what might be causing issues.
[/off-topic, i guess
]i hope you appreciate that's not something you can ask a casual user to do.
nor to install only a hand-full of 600 (or 700?)+ apps
whenever i get a chance i point out to potential users / buyers of N9(00) that those few hundreds apps provide all that's really needed, but if they can't even install (most of) that
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Originally Posted by qwazix
I wish I could give your post more than 1 Thanks point.
Now I'd like to share some thoughts about what is being discussed here.
At first, I think the N900vsN9 thing is ridiculous...
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How you are going to convince Harmatan developers to backport stuff to fremantle if they have to twist their code so much, that at the end of the day it becomes not a backport, but another project? Take qmltube for example - backporting to CSSU Fremantle is a matter of re-packaging and some namespace tweaking AIUI. Ask marxian what costs him to keep it compatible with PR1.3.
Not only that, in CSSU-testing there are several CVEs fixed and the list will grow up. You may call PR1.3 stable (and it is) but it does not mean it does not have bugs.
Re the count of the users - you may check the thanks number in opening posts on original CSSU thread and on the newer threads, that should be enough for at least some approximation.