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2010-01-13 , 14:59
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#151
No, it's not that easy, you have to know to install it, you have to know how to use dpkg, and you have to not fear the terminal. The average dude, coming from Windows doing anything in the console is like "hacking the Gibson" so they stay away from it most of the time. But with having red pill mode, it looks more like a secret cheat mode and they are more tempted to abuse it.
 
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2010-01-13 , 15:08
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true, but abuse it with what? this thread reffers only to install fom file. Noone can be that irresponsible to start installing packages they don't know nothing of.
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2010-01-13 , 15:28
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion View Post
No, it's not that easy, you have to know to install it, you have to know how to use dpkg, and you have to not fear the terminal. The average dude, coming from Windows doing anything in the console is like "hacking the Gibson" so they stay away from it most of the time. But with having red pill mode, it looks more like a secret cheat mode and they are more tempted to abuse it.
What?

My understanding is you can install rootsh from the extras repository. Which, to me, would mean it shows up inside the Application Manager. Which would mean all a person does is click "rootsh" and then "install". No need to know dpkg, apt, or even that a terminal exists to have the capability of getting "root" on their phone.

Here it is, in the extras repository. So the only thing I don't know.. is if App Manager hides it, and you have to drop to a shell to run "apt-get install rootsh".

ETA: In fact.. that's the only way you *could* install this app.. since you can't run dpkg without it installed.

So yes.. it's that easy.
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2010-01-13 , 15:29
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true, but abuse it with what? this thread reffers only to install fom file. Noone can be that irresponsible to start installing packages they don't know nothing of.
Ohhhh you'd be surprised...
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Originally Posted by Bec View Post
true, but abuse it with what? this thread reffers only to install fom file. Noone can be that irresponsible to start installing packages they don't know nothing of.
they can!
its like "click this link to download the mp3" and finding himself in a lawsuit.
that is even worse and people still do it.

joe does not need rootsh, give him safe repos and good. If someone feels like wanting root, go ahead. It isn't that Nokia closed something! It is actually a safety feature for joe... to remove the gui for it.
CLI users are faster wget-ing and "dpkg -i"-ing then waiting for HAM starting up cause a shell is open anyway...

If it will setup again it should come with a huge "ATTENTION!!! YOU MAY BRICK YOUR DEVICE" very warning!
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who needs red pill mode? doesnt look like nokia coding, more like a hack.. plus it doesnt install every 'deb file unlike xterm..........
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2010-01-13 , 15:41
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
What?

My understanding is you can install rootsh from the extras repository. Which, to me, would mean it shows up inside the Application Manager. Which would mean all a person does is click "rootsh" and then "install". No need to know dpkg, apt, or even that a terminal exists to have the capability of getting "root" on their phone.

Here it is, in the extras repository. So the only thing I don't know.. is if App Manager hides it, and you have to drop to a shell to run "apt-get install rootsh".

ETA: In fact.. that's the only way you *could* install this app.. since you can't run dpkg without it installed.

So yes.. it's that easy.
I'm not talking how easy it is to install rootsh. I'm talking how challenging it seems for "joe" to install standalone debs with the terminal in comparison with red pill mode. And it's good that way.
 

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#158
Somewhere in this thread is some useful info...
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2010-01-13 , 16:45
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion View Post
I'm not talking how easy it is to install rootsh. I'm talking how challenging it seems for "joe" to install standalone debs with the terminal in comparison with red pill mode. And it's good that way.
We seem to have had a disconnect somewhere.

I have never once argued that point. Just as I don't argue with losing Red Pill. I have said that having the ability to install a deb without the application manager is a *very* useful troubleshooting tool for those that know how to do it.. and when people like me try and help others we sometimes have them do that. I didn't say, and in fact discourage, this method from being a GUI.

My point is you keep seeming to want to argue with me about protecting the user from themselves is why root is not on the device by default. Others have said it saves Nokia support money.. or whatever.

I still say all of these are folly.. when rootsh is already so easy to get.
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Somewhere in this thread is some useful info...
Could you please show me.. cuz.. even I've gotten turned around somehow

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