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2008-02-20
, 01:41
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#152
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Originally Posted by sherifnix
You're not seriously saying that, are you? User friendly is putting together a nice GUI to control the settings. User friendly is not breaking UNIX and platform conventions. Breaking UNIX conventions only manages to make things harder for people who actually have some kind of a clue what they're doing, while simultaneously preventing newbies from learning how things work with every other piece of software.
2 words. User friendly.
I say again: bad, stupid idea.
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2008-02-20
, 02:33
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#153
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Originally Posted by sherifnix
If users can figure out how to both install dosbox and use applications inside, they sure as hell will be able to figure out or even know how to find and edit a configuration file. There is no amount of "user friendliness" that can accommodate stupidity, end of story.
2 words. User friendly.
Last edited by Navi; 2008-02-20 at 02:35.
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2008-02-20
, 03:08
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#154
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Originally Posted by Navi
I suppose we can go with that old saying:
If users can figure out how to both install dosbox and use applications inside, they sure as hell will be able to figure out or even know how to find and edit a configuration file. There is no amount of "user friendliness" that can accommodate stupidity, end of story.
You can fix ignorance, but you can't cure stupid.
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2008-02-20
, 03:21
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#155
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IMO the only way I think to make Dosbox somewhat user friendly for newbies is to have a frontend that runs in OS2008 like one of these:
http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/DOSBoxFrontends
And Arnim already mentioned that as a possibility for the future which is cool.
I was testing Dosbox tonight and it is running much better with the latest release. I was testing out old Apogee games, and all these run fairly well: Paganitzu, Secret Agent, Crystal Caves, Duke Nukem 1 & 2 (scroller not 3D), BioMenace, Paganitzu, and Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure. BioMenace ran extremely slow previously as well as Cosmo. Cosmo is now just a tad slow but it is very playable and fun. And of course all the Keen games run well now too, Keen 1-3, 3.5, 4-5. Great job on the fine-tuning Arnim!
The only thing with playing these games on my N800 is the controls, since the tablet is not set up for gaming in mind. Man I wish the controls were laid out like my Tapwave Zodiac2,....it would make it a much better playing experience. But to be able to have my N800 play these old favorites is pretty awesome indeed.
http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/DOSBoxFrontends
And Arnim already mentioned that as a possibility for the future which is cool.
I was testing Dosbox tonight and it is running much better with the latest release. I was testing out old Apogee games, and all these run fairly well: Paganitzu, Secret Agent, Crystal Caves, Duke Nukem 1 & 2 (scroller not 3D), BioMenace, Paganitzu, and Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure. BioMenace ran extremely slow previously as well as Cosmo. Cosmo is now just a tad slow but it is very playable and fun. And of course all the Keen games run well now too, Keen 1-3, 3.5, 4-5. Great job on the fine-tuning Arnim!
The only thing with playing these games on my N800 is the controls, since the tablet is not set up for gaming in mind. Man I wish the controls were laid out like my Tapwave Zodiac2,....it would make it a much better playing experience. But to be able to have my N800 play these old favorites is pretty awesome indeed.
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2008-02-20
, 09:29
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@ East Lansing, MI
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#156
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Just a friendly, non harmful, comment to sherifnix's post...
What makes you think a stupid person will always stay that way? This sounds rather bleak to be honest here. I've heard this expression before, and to me, I find that saying itself to be ignorant.
Okay, so I associate Linux with a great Counterstrike server, and that's about it in a nutshell. Anything beyond that knowledge I'll probably never understand.
Sure there's stupidity on how I view Linux or whatever it is that drives my Nokia, but you're missing the main point here. Even stupid people can follow simple directions, probably even more so since they can't think independently for themselves and challenge whatever it is that you're saying.
Good documentation followed with screenshots and crayon drawings is something I could probably walk my way through if correctly explained in this way.
Unfortunately you just can't find this type of simple comfort here on these forums, or at least, I don't know what keywords I need to use to search for it.
Well, I was using "Notes" to edit the mapper.txt and Dosbox.conf settings, not realizing the integrity of these files were being compromised until now. I think that's why I broke it earlier in a post I made a few pages back and couldn't understand what happened.
As of right now, I don't even know how to edit these two files anymore since I'm not seeing what commands are needed to view and change them with this latest build for Dosbox.
I'm a nice person, but seriously, all of you smart people are driving me crazy!
You can fix ignorance, but you can't cure stupid.
Okay, so I associate Linux with a great Counterstrike server, and that's about it in a nutshell. Anything beyond that knowledge I'll probably never understand.
Sure there's stupidity on how I view Linux or whatever it is that drives my Nokia, but you're missing the main point here. Even stupid people can follow simple directions, probably even more so since they can't think independently for themselves and challenge whatever it is that you're saying.
Good documentation followed with screenshots and crayon drawings is something I could probably walk my way through if correctly explained in this way.
Unfortunately you just can't find this type of simple comfort here on these forums, or at least, I don't know what keywords I need to use to search for it.
Well, I was using "Notes" to edit the mapper.txt and Dosbox.conf settings, not realizing the integrity of these files were being compromised until now. I think that's why I broke it earlier in a post I made a few pages back and couldn't understand what happened.
As of right now, I don't even know how to edit these two files anymore since I'm not seeing what commands are needed to view and change them with this latest build for Dosbox.
I'm a nice person, but seriously, all of you smart people are driving me crazy!
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2008-02-20
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#157
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Originally Posted by Addison
Go forth and education yourself!
As of right now, I don't even know how to edit these two files anymore since I'm not seeing what commands are needed to view and change them with this latest build for Dosbox.
Nothing comes for free.
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2008-02-20
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#158
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Originally Posted by Addison
Addison, with the latest Dosbox update the dosbox.conf and mapper.txt files are located in '/usr/share/dosbox/'. I edit these via command-line using the vi editor, or much easier....just by running emelFM2 and using its built-in text editor. Another easy way to edit is on your PC by accessing the files with WinSCP (lots of threads about this).
Well, I was using "Notes" to edit the mapper.txt and Dosbox.conf settings, not realizing the integrity of these files were being compromised until now. I think that's why I broke it earlier in a post I made a few pages back and couldn't understand what happened.
As of right now, I don't even know how to edit these two files anymore since I'm not seeing what commands are needed to view and change them with this latest build for Dosbox.
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2008-02-20
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@ "Almost there!" (Monte Christo, Count of)
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#159
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Originally Posted by Addison
Stoopid is gennitick.
What makes you think a stupid person will always stay that way? This sounds rather bleak to be honest here. I've heard this expression before, and to me, I find that saying itself to be ignorant.You can fix ignorance, but you can't cure stupid.
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Watch out Nokia, Pandora's box has opened (sorta)...
I do love explaining cryptic sigs, but for the impatient: http://www.openpandora.org/
Watch out Nokia, Pandora's box has opened (sorta)...
I do love explaining cryptic sigs, but for the impatient: http://www.openpandora.org/
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2008-02-21
, 01:38
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@ Germany
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#160
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Originally Posted by Addison
Ah thanks for mentioning that.
Well, I was using "Notes" to edit the mapper.txt and Dosbox.conf settings, not realizing the integrity of these files were being compromised until now. I think that's why I broke it earlier in a post I made a few pages back and couldn't understand what happened.
That's the reason for removing references to the config files and setting up dosbox to be as optimal as possible 'out-of-the-box'.
Casual users don't want to have to muck about with that stuff.
Releasing something that requires people without much linux experience to deal with this sort of thing is what's 'stupid'. I think it's inaccurate to call someone stupid if they don't happen to share one's own skillset. Do economists or biologists take this attitude? No...
I hope to have a frontend working sometime this weekend. Oh and suspend-to-disk would be fantastic too, so we can close it and resume a game later. But I don't know if that's really doable. I don't know how long anything is going to take. I'm working on squishing bugs elsewhere at the moment.
Come on now