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There is now way in hell Nokia would cancel/ stop/ pause the Meego push. Right now that project is at critical mass ... it is moving at its own volition. Nokia needs a hardware out for Christmas, or early next year and the N8's demand should bee waning at this stage requiring pricing incentives to keep things up. They can't afford a product drought between January and May ... if he was to scrap plans beginning on his first day ... it will take a year plus to make the product through conception to implementation especially at a big company like Nokia which has phased releases, the N8 is not that ahead of the curve to warrant consistent demand a year after release.
It is done deal, Meego is safe ... if they ousted OPK 6 months ago it would have been a different story and more uncertainty would have arisen.
What Mr. Elop has to do is control the brand ... Nokia has lost credibility, and brand integrity in the North American segment. Outlets like Eldar, Engadget, Gizmodo control the Nokia narrative in the North American market begin to change that by being more transparent share news on products early like updates and new services (no news conference hullabaloo ... just tweet it and let the Engadget's find it), find the product leaker(s), and send out completed prototypes to reviewers even if it is a shitty phone ... will teach Nokia not to release something they cannot stand behind. Integrate some Ovi services into the Android market and the Iphone market. This will enhance Ovi's presence and create transitory bridges to the Nokia world from other phones. The NFC thing I've been hearing would create Nokia money if it was sold on Apples app market, it wouldn't be much money but having Ovi plastered on it creates the awareness needed. Nokia needs to improve customer support, it needs to make it a walk in type affair, no mailing out no middle man CSR's, just walk in give it in and pick it up when it is fixed also people who will quickly check for common issues ... Nokia phone support is seriously lacking and requires drastic changes. They need to reengage disenfranchised customers to see what phones are wanted, and to keep us in the loop not on operations but more specific tangibles as to what is happening with the current phone. Mr Elop can help by changing the N900 Meego policy ... a lot of goodwill will come from that.
He needs to stick to the plan for the most part. Release a meego phone and than reshape the services around the phones.
It is done deal, Meego is safe ... if they ousted OPK 6 months ago it would have been a different story and more uncertainty would have arisen.
What Mr. Elop has to do is control the brand ... Nokia has lost credibility, and brand integrity in the North American segment. Outlets like Eldar, Engadget, Gizmodo control the Nokia narrative in the North American market begin to change that by being more transparent share news on products early like updates and new services (no news conference hullabaloo ... just tweet it and let the Engadget's find it), find the product leaker(s), and send out completed prototypes to reviewers even if it is a shitty phone ... will teach Nokia not to release something they cannot stand behind. Integrate some Ovi services into the Android market and the Iphone market. This will enhance Ovi's presence and create transitory bridges to the Nokia world from other phones. The NFC thing I've been hearing would create Nokia money if it was sold on Apples app market, it wouldn't be much money but having Ovi plastered on it creates the awareness needed. Nokia needs to improve customer support, it needs to make it a walk in type affair, no mailing out no middle man CSR's, just walk in give it in and pick it up when it is fixed also people who will quickly check for common issues ... Nokia phone support is seriously lacking and requires drastic changes. They need to reengage disenfranchised customers to see what phones are wanted, and to keep us in the loop not on operations but more specific tangibles as to what is happening with the current phone. Mr Elop can help by changing the N900 Meego policy ... a lot of goodwill will come from that.
He needs to stick to the plan for the most part. Release a meego phone and than reshape the services around the phones.
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2010-09-12
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Funny.. Nokia isnt doing too well lately - so they replace one incompetent idiot with another from a competing company who apparently is also failing in the mobile space!
Excellent.. very good logic, Nokia..
Excellent.. very good logic, Nokia..
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2010-09-12
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage
Some years ago I read that the "mobile" division of MS had spent $10 billion and had hardly made a dent in their market share (that was back in the PDA days when Palm was the overwhelming market leader). God knows how many more billions they have spent since and still with nothing much to show for it. Assume in a collective act of madness Nokia replaced all their phones to use WP7, does that mean WP7 will then have a huge market share? Hardly likely, Nokia will be plagued by complaints - phones crashing all the time, piss poor battery life, poor performance etc. It will simply drive more iphone and android sales.
what do you think M$ would be willing to do to get WinPhone 7 as the OS on a worldwide market as huge as Nokia's?
And what is Nokia willing to do to make a major dent in the North American Market? Well, we know now at minimum giving the CEO job to a M$ lackey. Does it include WinPhone 7? Betcha it does...
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2010-09-12
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Originally Posted by HellFlyer
Oops. They mistakenly invited Nokia's CEO! Good thing they fixed that before it was too late.
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/09/10/op...speakers-list/
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2010-09-12
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Originally Posted by bchliu
There aren't exactly a flood of exec candidates running successful business in mobile space. Who would you have hired?
Funny.. Nokia isnt doing too well lately - so they replace one incompetent idiot with another from a competing company who apparently is also failing in the mobile space!
Excellent.. very good logic, Nokia..
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2010-09-12
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Originally Posted by MoJo
They walked away from Maemo soon after putting the N900 on the market. They have nothing MeeGo for sale so at this point are less committed to MeeGo than Maemo. They can drop MeeGo now and 99% of the public would never know anything had happened.
There is now way in hell Nokia would cancel/ stop/ pause the Meego push.
Right now that project is at critical mass ... it is moving at its own volition. Nokia needs a hardware out for Christmas, or early next year...
...and the N8's demand should be waning at this stage requiring pricing incentives to keep things up. They can't afford a product drought between January and May...
f he was to scrap plans beginning on his first day ... it will take a year plus to make the product through conception to implementation especially at a big company like Nokia which has phased releases,
the N8 is not that ahead of the curve to warrant consistent demand a year after release.
It is done deal, Meego is safe ...
What Mr. Elop has to do is control the brand ... Nokia has lost credibility, and brand integrity in the North American segment.
Integrate some Ovi services into the Android market and the Iphone market. This will enhance Ovi's presence and create transitory bridges to the Nokia world from other phones.
He needs to stick to the plan for the most part. Release a meego phone and than reshape the services around the phones.
But everything now seems to me to indicate that is not Elop or Nokia's plan. WinPhone 7 would grab NA marketshare and public awareness, and so will satisfy stockholders quicker. In the real world quick $$ usually wins out over Doing the Right Thing.
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Originally Posted by kureyon
They don't care. Chump change to them. M$ will gladly spend a LOT more to win the mobile market. They know that the very future of M$, say 20-30 years from now, will likely be determined by how they do in the mobile market in the next 5-10 years. They'll spend any amount, whatever it takes. And M$ is a bulldog with a collar stuffed with cash.
Some years ago I read that the "mobile" division of MS had spent $10 billion and had hardly made a dent in their market share. God knows how many more billions they have spent since and still with nothing much to show for it.
Assume in a collective act of madness Nokia replaced all their phones to use WP7, does that mean WP7 will then have a huge market share?
Nokia will be plagued by complaints - phones crashing all the time, piss poor battery life, poor performance etc. It will simply drive more iphone and android sales.
When WP7's predecessor has been losing more and more market share and given MS's dismal track record why do you think using WP7 will give Nokia a bigger share of the NA market?
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2010-09-12
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage
They may have to give the phones away and pay people cash each time they make a call to encourage people to use them.
And M$ is a bulldog with a collar stuffed with cash.
Not immediately. But they have Symbian to tide them over, same as they would if they followed through with MeeGo.
A poor OS didn't keep DOS/Win95-98/NT/XP/Win7 from dominating the world. ... People are stupid and will put up with a lot of crap.
It's M$ Windows. Name recognition.
Blind, stupid acceptance in NA of anything M$.
And Nokia's NA marketshare is so small it can only go up.
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage
Possibly, but integrating it with Ovi software and services would not be completed in that time. WinPhone 7 lacks the Qt, which is chosen by Nokia long time ago to be the development environment for their devices and bringing such support for WinPhone won't happen in 6 months, if ever. Microsoft has it's own development tools (usually they have quite good tools) and it's not in their interest to switch over to Qt. I really don't see any good reason why Nokia would change OS at this point. Not in short term and especially not in the long term. Hiring CEO from Microsoft is not reason for such change.
WinPhone 7 is about ready now. It could easily be on a Nokia phone in your local store in 6 months.
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