Then why did they DECREASE the openness as they went along, if they're so committed to open-source? Why commission a closed-source calendar application for an open-source operating system? Why prefer closed-source reliant hardware when there are more open-source friendlier ones? Maybe that one I could concede on a little and forgive some hardware drivers, but closed-source applications and forcing a dependency on them? Why the puffery about open-source at all, if you're going to just create a hard dependency on closed-source applications that you can't remove like the calendar, media player, etc.? Credit where it's due--at least they FINALLY did open up the camera drivers--but that still leaves an INCREDIBLY large amount of dependencies and closed-source to contend with.

By contrast, if I run CyanogenMod (without the Google Apps, I might add) on my Droid--I have a firmware image constantly updated by the community all on its own with almost complete open-source and very, VERY little closed-source at all and no dependency on closed source except for the drivers and Dalvik. You can throw on the Google pack to add Market and Maps and so on--but none of those are required or requirements. Hell, once Amazon puts out their app store, you can switch completely to Amazon's if you want in lieu of Android Market. Can you say you have the same amount of flexibility and openness in Maemo? Maybe MeeGo will--but Maemo has been an abysmal example to open-source with no bragging rights over Android. Perhaps they only intended to be more open than Apple's iOS?

I think the OpenMoko devices were fully open, even the GSM stack. Sure they weren't great or current in terms of connectivity, but they were open.

That said, for all of Nokia's rhetoric about open source they dropped the ball with Maemo. Better and more familiar than other vendors at the time, but nowhere near what was necessary to match their speech. MeeGo is essentially what Maemo should have been in terms of openness, and I hope they follow through on at least letting stock meego users have full hardware support.

354 days left until I will be a N9 user. From the posts here I guess I be the only one. Mikecomputing seems to be into meego too...

And to the rest(gerbick,dan and atilla). You cant keep your hands from it when its finally arrives

http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2011...mwc-launch.htm

would you mind elaborating that or quantifying it for me?


edit:
here is an article about the security patches added on the 2.6.28 kernel
http://lwn.net/Articles/303976/
if you go in depth why they are needed then you probably can search and will get zillion pages explaining why.
and here is another discussion on ubuntu forums
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1275517

now you might point out its for computer.
and i would say: exactly right,
Nokia did sell me this device touting MOBILE COMPUTER

this thread should have ended on page one.

Sure. If nokia only had released n9 last year. We would be here in this thread right now. Don't blame me. Please call OPK and tell him that.

OPK? Elop?

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[QUOTE=danramos;917443]Then why did they DECREASE the openness as they went along, if they're so committed to open-source? Why commission a closed-source calendar application for an open-source operating system? Why prefer closed-source reliant hardware when there are more open-source friendlier ones? "

Again show me an example of an fully open source hardware on handset market!? OI havent even seen any fully open source drivers on PC market(Example: closed wifi/gfx drivers is some...).

Do you mean they should use an open source based calendar? DO they work with fully sync for OVi/IMAP whatever crap sokme needs? If they decided to go fully open calendar then even more people should startr bashing about halfdone stuff.

Another example is flash everyone is bashing about Flash 9 instead of Flash 10 is that component open!? Not a chance! Is there an open replacement that works. I can say no. So again not everything can be fully open.

" Maybe that one I could concede on a little and forgive some hardware drivers, but closed-source applications and forcing a dependency on them? Why the puffery about open-source at all, if you're going to just create a hard dependency on closed-source applications that you can't remove like the calendar, media player, etc.? Credit where it's due--at least they FINALLY did open up the camera drivers--but that still leaves an INCREDIBLY large amount of dependencies and closed-source to contend with."

Why can the calendar be removed? :-S Where did u get that from?


"By contrast, if I run CyanogenMod (without the Google Apps, I
might add) on my Droid--I have a firmware image constantly updated by the community all on its own with almost complete open-source and very, VERY little closed-source at all and no dependency on closed source except for the drivers and Dalvik."

Exactly the same for N900 then. = PowerKernel with USBHostmode, fcam instead of old camera driver, open source wifi driver etc...