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	Copernicus	2015-11-07 , 11:07
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Originally Posted by ZogG

Pebble also introduced new OS, own one, that they develop. With new SDK and even after introduced new watch(round one).

Congratulations for them! My guess, however, would be that the Pebble OS is just _slightly_ less complex than Sailfish.

And if Jolla only software company(btw why update 2.0 came later if so) why they produced the tablet.

Marketing, of course. It's been some years since Jolla formed, and they only had the Phone to show off their OS. As an aging device, and with no successor, the Phone is limited in how well it can advertise Sailfish. The Aigo x86, a low-cost tablet with a large "retina" screen, made for a perfect way to show off the beauty of Sailfish, and the Indiegogo campaign raised plenty of buzz.

they failed at large with dates, delays, communication about it.

Nothing I can say against that.

Updates after months of delay and silence do not really count

Well of course they do -- it's better than NO updates after months of delay.

Revolution is not about UI, buttons or swipe, but about UX, and while with N9 and even with Blackberry10 i felt natural with all gestures, with Jolla you need to learn and get used (if you explain UX it's wrong UX).

Funny thing, I personally don't give a crap about UI/UX.

If you really want a perfect user experience, get an iPhone -- Apple's spent billions getting the user experience right. But if you want freedom to access your file system, freedom to customize the OS, freedom to run your own software... Well, Jolla seems to give you that. Otherwise, get ready to spend hours (days?) hacking your device and voiding your warrantee...

You remember you are talking about some standard chinese tablet with some modifications(search this thread for links of found "brothers" of Jolla tablet)

Ah, if only. Had Jolla settled for a vanilla Aigo x86, we'd all have had tablets in our hands last Spring. But no, they had to get the _perfect_ screen to show off Sailfish. And so, endless delays.

BTW, if you want, you can check out my own thread on the Aigo x86:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96002

Last edited by Copernicus; 2015-11-07 at 11:18.

	ZogG	2015-11-07 , 11:40
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

Congratulations for them! My guess, however, would be that the Pebble OS is just _slightly_ less complex than Sailfish.

Marketing, of course. It's been some years since Jolla formed, and they only had the Phone to show off their OS. As an aging device, and with no successor, the Phone is limited in how well it can advertise Sailfish. The Aigo x86, a low-cost tablet with a large "retina" screen, made for a perfect way to show off the beauty of Sailfish, and the Indiegogo campaign raised plenty of buzz.

Nothing I can say against that.

Well of course they do -- it's better than NO updates after months of delay.

Funny thing, I personally don't give a crap about UI/UX. If you really want a perfect user experience, get an iPhone -- Apple's spent billions getting the user experience right. But if you want freedom to access your file system, freedom to customize the OS, freedom to run your own software... Well, Jolla seems to give you that. Otherwise, get ready to spend hours (days?) hacking your device and voiding your warrantee...

Ah, if only. Had Jolla settled for a vanilla Aigo x86, we'd all have had tablets in our hands last Spring. But no, they had to get the _perfect_ screen to show off Sailfish. And so, endless delays.

BTW, if you want, you can check out my own thread on the Aigo x86:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96002

Pebble is less complex, but on other hand they introduced totally new Os with new way of UX nad new UI and new functionality, while Jolla just introduced new features, part of them were implemented as patches before btw

And as of freedom, there are Androids (that can work on x86 too btw) that are almost 100% FOSS, so again if you do not care about UI or UX and you care about freedom, why not android, ubuntu phone or tizen, some of them are more open and more hacker friendly than Jolla.
And again if you want freedom, you can buy rpi or other already assembled kit with pure linux.
P.S. I bet the problem of "perfect" screen is PR, they have problems and they switched display, to justify they told it would be "better" display with no info for months :P

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

I doubt investors are interested to continue feed Jolla with money 2016....

I remember my argues with you few years back, when I told you that they doing it wrong and it goes that way and you tried to defense them blindly and finally you coming to sense :P

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JulmaHerra	2015-11-07 , 12:02
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Looks like someone is having "let's have bashing-celebration-day"... again.

	Bundyo	2015-11-07 , 13:00
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Isn't that every day?

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	ZogG	2015-11-07 , 13:02
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If only were no reason :P
You need to blame those who gives a reason for that and I would help you pass your time till you get your tablet, if you'll get it :P

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gerbick	2015-11-07 , 13:04
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Originally Posted by ZogG

I remember my argues with you few years back, when I told you that they doing it wrong and it goes that way and you tried to defense them blindly and finally you coming to sense

So by stating baseless claims, that's considered coming to ones senses now?

	ZogG	2015-11-07 , 13:31
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Originally Posted by gerbick

So by stating baseless claims, that's considered coming to ones senses now?

So basically from ~7 my posts with explanations you take out one small sentence in the end and bash me for bashing :P I see what you did there

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gerbick	2015-11-07 , 13:34
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Originally Posted by ZogG

So basically from ~7 my posts with explanations you take out one small sentence in the end and bash me for bashing ... I see what you did there

I totally did that.

Mikecomputing, gotta love the guy (no sarcasm)... but he's been a serious grump as of late. I hope he gets his (and the others as well, myself inclusive) Jolla tablet sooner than later.

It's just all of this doom & gloom talk is just... well, opinion based.

JulmaHerra	2015-11-07 , 14:06
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Originally Posted by ZogG

You need to blame....

For some odd reason, I really don't feel specific need to primarily find someone to blame.

Others may have that urgent need, especially if they have been against certain manufacturer since from the very beginning...

	ZogG	2015-11-07 , 18:56
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra

For some odd reason, I really don't feel specific need to primarily find someone to blame.

Others may have that urgent need, especially if they have been against certain manufacturer since from the very beginning...

Actually I was in first wave and was pro Jolla, how about that?

Originally Posted by gerbick

I totally did that.

Mikecomputing, gotta love the guy (no sarcasm)... but he's been a serious grump as of late. I hope he gets his (and the others as well, myself inclusive) Jolla tablet sooner than later.

It's just all of this doom & gloom talk is just... well, opinion based.

So delay, miscommunication, problems is an opinion based

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