GAAAHHH! I do not want "hacker friendly". I don't want to spend hours fiddling with settings, erasing the OS that comes with the machine, and setting up an entirely new, unsupported, warrantee-breaking custom OS instead. I mean, it's great that some manufacturers "allow" you to put a more free OS on their machines, but why can't they just ship them (and support them!) with such an OS from the beginning?

I bought into the whole concept of the N900 when it came out. What I really want is another N900 -- a mobile device with what is (at least close to) a vanilla Linux distribution on it.

The Ubuntu phone is probably the closest thing to that right now, other than Jolla's Sailfish. I may try one of those out, if they start catching on...

Ah yes, thanks, I'll just go to the back of the room and play with my odd little hacker-kits, along with the other oddballs who actually want freedom. No flagship mobile devices for us!

Um, no, no problems at all with the original display. Lots of pics of perfectly-running Aigo x86 tablets available; here are some:







Oh, and by the way, the original x86 did actually have a micro-AB type USB receptacle:



So that is another visible improvement you can see that Jolla made to the original design.

As far as how these delays will affect the company, to paraphrase speculation prior to your posts, wherein it will end the company if one particular person doesn't get their tablet before a certain holiday would mean that the company in question will close up, never get any other investors and thus are a bunch of soon to be out of work engineers. Yeah, opinion based.

The delays are not intentional. I truly believe so - that's my opinion. Does it damage the layman, who mostly do not know who/what Jolla is outside of this forum or the IndieGoGo campaign. I think not.

The problems come whenever you alter a reference design and have to source those changes. It happens. It just happens that these changes and delays are out in the open whereas most other companies mask these delays with other product releases.

So yeah... opinion based. The rest is just a puerile reaction to an unfortunate truth.

Copernicus, not that I disagree with you but to play a devil's advocate, if you want a flagship device supported by the manufacturer, then you do not care about what OS it is running. You buy such devices as a black box and all you care about is whether it connects to your Facebook and allows you to watch the latest video of your nephew's girlfriend's cat. If you care what OS it is running, then you are already putting yourself into the "geek" pigeon hole.

gerbick, ZogG, you two are not on the same wavelength. One of you is talking about facts (delays, miscommunication...), the other one about their interpretation. Of course facts are facts. Dropped objects fall to the ground, the sky is blue and Jolla is perpetually late. But how people react to those things depends on their beliefs and opinions.

Ever thought I just refuse to go into the realm of what most of those people that are ****ing bellyaching about ad nauseum? Seriously... it's late. We get it. Why not state that water is wet?

But pages upon pages of "JOLLA IS GONNA GO OUT OF BUSINESS IF I DON'T GET MY TABLET BEFORE CHRISTMAS" and other countdown type of posts are just so very boring.

They're late. Fact. People are serial overreacting. Also fact.

So why not be rational and see that delays happen in damn near everything we use on a semi-daily basis that's technology based. **** happens.

That's all I have left to say.

<cough>N900</cough>

Yeah, Nokia spoiled me. A flagship-quality device that runs my favorite Linux terminal software out of the box, that lets me use persistent storage the way it was meant to be used, that doesn't try to pin me down as no more than a captive consumer and purchaser of the goods offered by their closed ecosystem.

And yeah, I know, the modern mobile device is designed specifically for the person who is willing to do no more than spend all their time sitting on their couch, purchasing music, videos, and games. We all now live in Steve Jobs' world; creating your own content is passé.

But man, let a guy dream a little.

To not let this thread stop:
my opinion is that water is not wet but water makes me wet.

Water isn't wet. Wetness is a description of our experience of water; what happens to us when we come into contact with water in such a way that it impinges on our state of being. We, or our possessions, 'get wet'. A less impinging sense experience of water is that it is cold or warm, while visual experience tells us that it is green or blue or muddy or fast-flowing. We learn by experience that a sensation of wetness is associated with water: 'there must be a leak/I must have sat in something.'

I disagree. Water makes inanimate objects wet too. Water is an inanimate object. Unless you separate a single molecule, you can think of water as two smaller bodies of water, each making the other one wet. IOW, water makes itself wet. Ergo, water is wet.

Wow... a discussion if water is wet just happened.

In terms of physics, this is correct -- if you define the word "water" in an appropriate manner. However, linguistically, the word "water" in English is a mass noun. As such, it is treated as an undifferentiated substance, such that specific individual ("countable") subsets cannot be identified. Moreover, water has "cumulative reference": i.e., if X is "water" and Y is "water", the sum X + Y is still "water".

So I would argue, at least in terms of English usage, that no, water cannot be made "wet". Any unit of water added to another unit of water becomes treated as just a single mass of water.