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2010-12-14 , 18:26
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#1661
Have to agree, most cores are designed/binned to run higher then the select '600 mhz', its the limit at which all phones can be pumped out at and run flawlessly, just like desktop cpus, some overclock better then other, its a fact of life, but i'd think the majority of n900 users will be able to 800mhz with no problem, i'd imagine that'd be a good goal for the a8 processor and then dropping it down to 600 is ideal for long time running, scales well too eh,

Flash 10, we can only wait and see, people are requesting that file from whoever makes the cores lol.
 
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2010-12-14 , 20:13
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Originally Posted by pelago View Post
The point is that Nokia bought A8s (actually the OMAP system-on-a-chip) designed for 600MHz and designed their motherboard, heat-disipation system etc. around that frequency, as sjgadsby said. You linked to the arm.com site to say that sjgadsby was wrong, but it is you who are wrong, as you misinterpreted the arm.com text.

Yeah, yeah, I know:

Of course, some people may be able to overclock (I don't know the percentages), but if Flash 10.x requires a higher frequency CPU then Nokia won't release it on the N900, i.e. Nokia won't force people to exceed the designed specs. Of course, that doesn't mean that people cannot overclock and try to hack 10.1 onto the N900 anyway, just that it means it probably won't come from Nokia, if the claim that it requires a faster CPU is correct.
You are absolutely right, I misinterpreted the arm.com text
It doesn't say "You can choose whatever frequency you want from 600MHz to 1GHz"...my fault, wrong example!

Ok, I will try to explain what I wanted to say, and then I will stop posting garbage in this thread, I promise.
As I said, I don't care about flash 10 at all, and I don't want Nokia to force anyone to do anything. I only think that it's not true that the N900 does not have a 1GHz processor as sjgadsby said. You're right, specs say "well, it should run at 600MHz", but the facts show that it can run at 1GHz without problems: I overclocked my N900 at 1150MHz at default voltage (this is the important part!) months ago and I use it every day without problems. Maybe I am only lucky, maybe I have a "better" chip, I don't know, but this is my experience. Specifications are not "The Thruth", they're just a reference.

I repeat, nothing to do with Flash (that's why I said that I was going OT ), on that front you are absolutely right: if Flash 10.1 requires different specs, we will not see it. Sorry if I didn't explain myself, I don't want to appear as a I-Know-Everything professor

Oh, about overclocking percentages, this is (one of) the most frequented threads: maybe it means something, maybe not...

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2010-12-15 , 19:07
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Originally Posted by devu View Post
In my opinion opening Flash Player completely would destroy what is this technology about. Every single programmer could have his own vision how it supposed to be done. Finally destroying all joy and cross-platform nature of this technology. And another more dangerous company could pick this up and set their own as the most popular. ...Imagine Flash in Apple hands...
EEK ! Sorry devu, I completely disagree on this, it's total FUD. Opening the flash player would in NO WAY affect 'how it should be done' just as open source browsers do not affect how the HTTP protocol (or HTML !) works. In fact, it was the era of tightly controlled proprietary browsers when HTML compatibility was at it's lowest point. And how on earth would would open source extinguish the cross platform nature ? How many of Debian's architectures are supported by this cross-platformness that we should savor and protect ? As for dangerous company - you are comparing masters, basically saying that being at the whim of Adobe is so much better than being at the whim of Apple. The only thing that protects are the backroom deals. It's not Apple that is preventing us from having Flash 10.whatever on the N900. It's not Apple who demonstrated Flash 10.1 on the N900. So, sorry again, but the b*lls*it is not that the player should not be opened (?!), it's something else.
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2010-12-15 , 20:49
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The problem is also google.

Why do they use FP10.1 for street view?
Most Android Phones are not capable FP10.1.

Google helps his concurrent Apple.
 
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2010-12-15 , 20:57
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Originally Posted by gerdich View Post
The problem is also google.

Why do they use FP10.1 for street view?
Most Android Phones are not capable FP10.1.

Google helps his concurrent Apple.
Eh? Android Phones (and Apple iOS) don't use Flash for Google Street View. It's an application. Only the web page version of Street View uses Flash.
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2010-12-15 , 21:05
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Originally Posted by gerdich View Post
The problem is also google.

Why do they use FP10.1 for street view?
Most Android Phones are not capable FP10.1.

Google helps his concurrent Apple.
Not really. Apple doesn't do Flash 10 (nor does any other major platform not counting Android), so using it in mobile content will only nudge people with non-FroYo Android devices to buy newer, Flash capable ones.
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Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
Not really. Apple doesn't do Flash 10 (nor does any other major platform not counting Android), so using it in mobile content will only nudge people with non-FroYo Android devices to buy newer, Flash capable ones.
Not really. Android devices as far back as Android 1.6 are able to run the current Google Maps application including Google Street View. It's not Flash based when you're using an app on a mobile device like Android or iOS.
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2010-12-16 , 05:49
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Street View can also use javascript; unfortunately this doesn't work any more with Microb (maybe it has some bug in its js engine). But try to open my streetview interface in http://www.debernardis.it/strade3-3.html with another browser on the N900 and you get it. The best at showing has been kazehakase in easy debian, but you can also try opera, tear or firefox, even if those have some problems in moving the little orange man or the view.
 
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Not really. Android devices as far back as Android 1.6 are able to run the current Google Maps application including Google Street View. It's not Flash based when you're using an app on a mobile device like Android or iOS.
I said 'using flash in mobile content' in an attempt to generalize away from the specific case of street view, but anyway
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the santa claus for happy christmas will bring flash 10.1 for n900 because nokia said it more time ago in a far far galaxy .....

jajaj or it or never jaja


with nvidia tegra 2 or samsung orion

dual core proccesors 2ghz are secure that flash 10,1 going to running in nokia mobiles
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