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Originally Posted by javispedro
This isn't meant in a snide way, merely curious...what are the "myriad" OSes that run on the n900?
Oh, I'm sure that the myriad of patched hildon-desktops around here modifying virtually any behaviour do not really exist...
I think you are getting this completely wrong. What people and even qgil himself bragged about is the easiness by which people can root their own N900s, even in a Nokia-approved fashion. On your average Android phone the process is insanely more complicated, and the device vendor will usually try to stop you from doing it. After rooting, you're free to replace whatever you want of the system. The N900 even has a myriad of alternatives operating systems you can run on it (remember they replace _everything_), including some other devices proprietary ones. How many Android phones run something other than Android?
Please, please don't confuse lack of support with openness.
I count...maemo, meego, and nitdroid (sort of). Anything else?
I qualify nitdroid as "sort of" because when the internal GPS doesn't work and audio is one-way for the phone, it's only sort of functional.
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2010-12-18
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Originally Posted by eachna
"myriad" (official definition: 10000) is a bit of an exaggeration ;-)
This isn't meant in a snide way, merely curious...what are the "myriad" OSes that run on the n900?
I count...maemo, meego, and nitdroid (sort of). Anything else?
It also depends on your definition of "other OS", if you include things that run on top of Maemo there's also the various easy-* chroot environments and emulators like Garnet, DOSbox etc.
Edit: there's also some info on the wiki: alternative operating systems, alternative desktop environments, emulators.
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2010-12-18
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Mamona seems to be dead (or the server is having issues), and poky seems to have moved away from anything nokia branded.
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2010-12-18
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And by the way, "oneclick" z4root is based on http://intrepidusgroup.com/insight/2...-the-c-skills/ . Does anyone believe Google will let it stand? Or maybe it was just the Jailbreakers' move in the Google-vs-jailbreakers game, and now it's Google's turn?
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Originally Posted by lma
There's a monthly #maemo flamewar about this
I'm more than a little concerned about what level of control the owner will be "allowed" to have on future devices however. So far the information coming out of Nokia/MeeGo re: platform security is only about the mechanism rather than the policy, and thus there is a lot of uncertainty.
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2010-12-19
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Originally Posted by javispedro
That's part of what Android 2.2.1 closed up. If you have a phone running 2.2, you can use z4root with no problem, but once you move to 2.2.1, you're unable to use that method.
And by the way, "oneclick" z4root is based on http://intrepidusgroup.com/insight/2...-the-c-skills/ . Does anyone believe Google will let it stand? Or maybe it was just the Jailbreakers' move in the Google-vs-jailbreakers game, and now it's Google's turn?
Technically, Google made their move and it's the hacking tinkerer's turn (jailbreaking is what you do on an iPhone and implies a LOT more restrictions than just getting root). BUT...!
My brother finally decided to root his Motorola Droid and I had run into this problem. I ended up manually using adb on the Linux command line to push tools onto his handset and then ran 'rageagainstthecage' to force a root shell to chmod the tools... BAM! Rooted. It wasn't hard either--and I'm sure someone will use this method in a one-click method as well, but it isn't readily available in a one-click tool right now as far as I can tell. I posted what I did to root his phone over on the SuperOneClick thread in XDA, so we'll see what happens next.
I assume it's quickly going to flip back to Google's turn to make the next move.
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2010-12-19
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Originally Posted by lma
I did expect there was a certain amount of hyperbole to that statement, I'm just surprised to learn that any other OSes were running on nokia tablets.
"myriad" (official definition: 10000) is a bit of an exaggeration ;-)
Originally Posted by lma
Thanks for the pointers, I have more interesting reading to do!
The N900 is a bit poorer in that respect. Options for previous devices include Mamona, Mer, Deblet, Poky, Gentoo, Ubuntu, OpenWrt, and probably a few others I forget.
It also depends on your definition of "other OS", if you include things that run on top of Maemo there's also the various easy-* chroot environments and emulators like Garnet, DOSbox etc.
Edit: there's also some info on the wiki: alternative operating systems, alternative desktop environments, emulators.
I do know about the chroots, I wouldn't count them each as an OS as such, but they do certainly greatly extend the power of maemo.
As far as contributing back to the original topic, I'm frustrated at the half-hearted openess of maemo as well. Thankfully, it hasn't held me back from doing what I want with my n900, at least "yet". So in the day to day I'm happier with my phone than not.
Given that smartphones are pretty much just small portable computers with cellular modems, I'd like to see manufacturers start to release drivers and let people install the firmware that they like. I don't see that necessarily *happening*, it's just what I *want*
.Edit: I'm not hampered by the semi-openess because I use very little of the included nokia software. I'm pretty much the most boring person in the world, so I don't use the calendar (I don't have a schedule
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2010-12-19
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Originally Posted by tso
Yeah, I think the latest available is what's shown here. The git tree hasn't been updated since January.
Mamona seems to be dead (or the server is having issues)
and poky seems to have moved away from anything nokia branded.
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2010-12-19
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Originally Posted by eachna
The thing is, Nokia isn't wrong when they say it's the most open "mainstream" GNU/Linux mobile distribution, so from their PoV there isn't much incentive to be more open. It'd be nice if someone else stepped up and gave them a run for their money. Who knows, maybe this time next year we'll be comparing the relative openness of various vendors' MeeGo products.
As far as contributing back to the original topic, I'm frustrated at the half-hearted openess of maemo as well.
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Originally Posted by lma
See, that's the thing. From the looks of things, it would appear that the OS is becoming far less open than Android--which is kinda pathetic given it's whole selling point is being open-source. While Nokia opens up certain portions (which seems like pulling teeth, to start with), they ADD more and more closed-source components to the OS that you can't exclude without harming the system. Whereas Android already has a larger open of open-source to closed, and they're unmarrying a lot of the closed-source as a dependency--so you CAN replace them with open-source without harming the whole Android eco-system. Nokia hasn't got bragging rights to being more open than anyone else lately. Maybe back in 2006/2007, but certainly not anymore--even amongst large mobile OS's that they compete against.
The thing is, Nokia isn't wrong when they say it's the most open "mainstream" GNU/Linux mobile distribution, so from their PoV there isn't much incentive to be more open. It'd be nice if someone else stepped up and gave them a run for their money. Who knows, maybe this time next year we'll be comparing the relative openness of various vendors' MeeGo products.
Originally Posted by eachna
Oh God. Another fellow MU*er. May you never get @toaded.
99% of the time I'm ssh'ed into my phone, running tinyfugue, and telnetting out to MUD/MUSH. The rest of the time I'm running around like Gir from "Invader Zim", chanting "What's that do? what's that do?" while trying out new (to me) software in extras.
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Ran out of time and patience for the rest...