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2011-01-11 , 20:28
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The argument against dual core cpus for the next Nokia released phone is that MeeGo isn't optimized for it.
 

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2011-01-11 , 20:31
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
I think the OpenMoko devices were fully open, even the GSM stack. Sure they weren't great or current in terms of connectivity, but they were open.

That said, for all of Nokia's rhetoric about open source they dropped the ball with Maemo. Better and more familiar than other vendors at the time, but nowhere near what was necessary to match their speech. MeeGo is essentially what Maemo should have been in terms of openness, and I hope they follow through on at least letting stock meego users have full hardware support.
Yeah and OpenMoko was a succes? No! Did it work for everyday use? No!

And as I said before, I guess many of us who still beleive in Meego will be a bit dissapointed especially those who believe it will be fully open sourced and at the same time fully working for everyday use.

Some can dream but I am a realist.

If meego shall succes it need "payed developers" and some payed developers does'nt want to be fully open source. And trust me those is also needed. Some developers is scared for open source model too. Especialy those developers or softwarecompanys that has worked in closed projects all theyr life... The same goes for SoC manufactors (who often has closed drivers for GFX etc..) like Texas vs Intel vs Samsung etc...
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2011-01-11 , 20:33
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
MeeGo isn't optimized for it.
By that logic, Ubuntu and Redhat aren't either.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Yeah and OpenMoko was a succes? No! Did it work for everyday use? No!
Did I say it was? I was citing an example of something that was fully open.

And as I said before, I guess many of us who still beleive in Meego will be a bit dissapointed especially those who believe it will be fully open sourced and at the same time fully working for everyday use

Some can dream but I am a realist.
You won't get the GSM stack, some device-specific firmware or a handful of driver bits (probably video,) but MeeGo as an OS is already more open than Maemo was. As I understand it, everything necessary to make MeeGo on the N900 fully functional is already available, it just needs to be hooked up, which is what Stskeeps and his team are doing every day.

If meego shall succes it need "payed developers" and some payed developers does'nt want to be fully open source.
It already has paid developers working on it, and everything they do with MeeGo is open source. Vendor specific stuff is not part of MeeGo, and that is what will most likely be closed.
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2011-01-11 , 20:37
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
The argument against dual core cpus for the next Nokia released phone is that MeeGo isn't optimized for it.
I guess this also are true for Android. But the companys still release HW based on it to make it LOOK like it is not the case...
 
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2011-01-11 , 20:42
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You won't get the GSM stack, some device-specific firmware or a handful of driver bits (probably video,) but MeeGo as an OS is already more open than Maemo was. As I understand it, everything necessary to make MeeGo on the N900 fully functional is already available, it just needs to be hooked up, which is what Stskeeps and his team are doing every day.

Hmm gfx driver is closed if I remember it correct. Also the BMI stuff. But it great to see that Nokie employers helped to make that work.

It already has paid developers working on it, and everything they do with MeeGo is open source. Vendor specific stuff is not part of MeeGo, and that is what will most likely be closed.[/QUOTE]

Yes and I dont see this as bad.

Maybe I did understand you at the begining my point was just that some will start bash like hell when they realise that non HW based on Meego will be fully open source. I guess the meegoforum will be as full at this forum with whining and bashing about it
 
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2011-01-11 , 20:45
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I just want longer battery run time and optimized HW and SW on power consumption and speed aspects. Average CPU and GPU power is just enough. Just sweet spot on cpu&gpu / battery consumption / price variables.

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Donīt you get it? Meego is open. This is fact. Now repeat that n+1 times. I would at least expect that all UI code is closed on Nokias own version of OS that is based on Meego.
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Originally Posted by slender View Post
I just want longer battery run time and optimized HW and SW on power consumption and speed aspects. Average CPU and GPU power is just enough. Just sweet spot on cpu&gpu / battery consumption / price variables.

@mikecomputing
Donīt you get it? Meego is open. This is fact. Now repeat that n+1 times. I would at least expect that all UI code is closed on Nokias own version of OS that is based on Meego.
Yes Meego CORE is open but I havent seen any HW based on Meego soo far where everything is open source! Drivers now you repeat n+1 times?

If you can show me fully working handset or tablet that is fully opensource and working for everyday use then I will beleive it noit before...
 
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2011-01-11 , 20:57
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btw. Learn to use quotes.
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2011-01-11 , 20:59
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This is at least something:
http://pandaboard.org/
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2011-01-11 , 21:06
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
By that logic, Ubuntu and Redhat aren't either.
But neither are being used for a phone, not directly.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing
I guess this also are true for Android. But the companys still release HW based on it to make it LOOK like it is not the case...
But more work has been done in getting Android to utilize multiple cores. We've yet to see MeeGo finalized.

The point I was making was not from a logical standpoint of what we'd like, but moreso what Nokia would probably say in not releasing multiple core phone.

To be honest, going from a 600mhz A8 to 1.2ghz dual core A9 is very unlikely for Nokia.
 

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