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lma	2011-10-08 , 08:43
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz

android cannot be stopped at this point regardless of what nokia decides to, android cannot be beaten.

Oh it could be beaten if everybody else would stop shooting their feet for a moment (HP, Intel and especially Nokia: I'm looking at you). It's not very hard to do want a better $NOTIPHONE (Android set the bar quite low) and people do want that but it's just not available on modern hardware.

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lma	2011-10-08 , 08:46
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz

i was wondering, won't it make sense for Nokia to use android kernel and then use QT/QML wrappers for everything else?
Not sure how these things work, but isn't it possible?

Possible, yes, but why would they want to do that? It's not like they lack in-house Linux kernel expertise, being one of the top corporate contributors for a long time.

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gerbick	2011-10-08 , 09:23
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Originally Posted by lma

Oh it could be beaten if everybody else would stop shooting their feet for a moment (HP, Intel and especially Nokia: I'm looking at you). It's not very hard to do want a better $NOTIPHONE (Android set the bar quite low) and people do want that but it's just not available on modern hardware.

I find it seriously scary how Amazon is getting things more right than most other companies out there competing right now.

They've beat Apple to the cloud for cheaper and they've created a cheaper and different device with their Fire tablet. All movies, music and media purchased through their services are stored in the cloud. For free.

Their presales show how well they've hit the market.

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geneven	2011-10-08 , 10:23
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I find it seriously scary how Amazon is getting things more right than most other companies out there competing right now.

They've beat Apple to the cloud for cheaper and they've created a cheaper and different device with their Fire tablet. All movies, music and media purchased through their services are stored in the cloud. For free.

Their presales show how well they've hit the market.

Amazon has a secret weapon. How many of its competitors can also sell you a refrigerator? Not iTunes, I think. Amazon has more than 60 kinds for sale, I just checked. Fire will make it much easier to shop for refrigerators and other items.

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	danramos	2011-10-08 , 11:15
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Originally Posted by geneven

Amazon has a secret weapon. How many of its competitors can also sell you a refrigerator? Not iTunes, I think. Amazon has more than 60 kinds for sale, I just checked. Fire will make it much easier to shop for refrigerators and other items.

This little device is effectively a SHOPPING MALL in a tablet... even the theaters!

...and they didn't exclude the rest of the Android devices they don't make because you can still do all of that on far more expensive devices too. But this will ABSOLUTELY kindle interest in the people who didn't want to spend $400+ for good quality tablets.

Mind you, all of this I can already do on my Samsung Galaxy Tab 7-inch Tablet with Amazon MP3, Amazon.com, Amazon App Store applications as well as interactions over the web but this opens up their entire online mall with a $200 price-point device which will EASILY make them far more accessible to the rest of the people that didn't want to spend a lot.

ACCESSIBILITY, BABY!

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zimon	2011-10-08 , 14:34
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Originally Posted by danramos

I'm not sure you understand what a Freudian slip is. Did you LIKE the idea of a GPS signed RPM system, to misspeak it in place of GPG? Otherwise, if it was simply a slip--it's just that and not a Freudian slip.

Although, it would be interesting if they named it Freudian Linux. How would it make you feel, if they named it that? Please elaborate.

GPS coordinates would be good to get inside GPG-signatures optionally. Extra bits of security information which could get handy on some occasions. In the plain old paper world we often also tell where we are when we are signing papers.

Ubuntu and Debian has bad reasons to keep their stubbornness and legacy tools. Deb-format and weak practical security policy around it compromises whole Linux-ecosystem.

So I hope Meltemi will get rpm-package-format and at least that way would be compatible with Tizen.

It is not hard for a deb-user to learn rpm:
http://wiki.openvz.org/Package_managers

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	mece	2011-10-31 , 18:46
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"Nokia developing Linux based entry-level smartphones, says sources"
the sources are "Taiwan-based handset makers" apparently.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111028PD207.html

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	tso	2011-10-31 , 20:17
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Originally Posted by geneven

Amazon has a secret weapon. How many of its competitors can also sell you a refrigerator? Not iTunes, I think. Amazon has more than 60 kinds for sale, I just checked. Fire will make it much easier to shop for refrigerators and other items.

Also, Amazon can sell their device below cost with the aim of recouping on secondary sales via their services. This is the same as MS and Sony have been doing on the games console market for years.

HP, Samsung and the others need to make a buck on the hardware sales, Google could not care either way as their primary revenue source is advertisement, MS is all about license fees, and Nokia, like HP, have picked up a bad case of shareholder meddling.

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inte	2011-11-01 , 11:02
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Originally Posted by zimon

So I hope Meltemi will get rpm-package-format and at least that way would be compatible with Tizen.

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Well, Ubuntu is comming up with a smartphone release either, and it might be ready even before Tizen is.
Since N9 MeeGo ist actually Maemo 6 and still uses deb-packaging (as does Ubuntu), staying with deb would probably be the better idea especially since Tizen apps would rely on html5 rather than beeing full featured Linux applications and would therefore rather not need a full Linux packaging and dependency resolution anyways.
Even if they WOULD be packaged in rpm they could still be easily installed on Debian/Maemo/Ubuntu systems using alien.

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abbra	2011-11-01 , 11:33
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Originally Posted by lma

Possible, yes, but why would they want to do that? It's not like they lack in-house Linux kernel expertise, being one of the top corporate contributors for a long time.

Leak after the Feb11's hole opened was enormous. Of course, it didn't dry out Nokia's Linux talent completely but made it so scarce that it is now less different from others in this respect. Intel gained many of those talented people, as well as other companies benefited too. Specifically, kernel developers flew out *a lot*. Perhaps, Nokia is lucky that their v4l2 contributors are still on board, but their kernel generalists are happy to work at other places, continuing to contribute to the upstream.