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2008-03-12
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No, that equates to 100,000 people with Macs
Also this article leads us to a thought that maybe some of the people are getting the SDK for the new beta 2.0(1.2) firmware...
Does this give the iPhone, to all practical intents and purposes, the capability equivalent to Open Source.
Obviously Apple couldn't give a rat's elbow about potential competition from Nokia, but maybe it has an eye over it's shoulder at the upcoming competition from the Intel MID's.
To quote this commentator
http://www.gottabemobile.com/Video+O...+M528+MID.aspx
"Something is happening behind Intel's Atom branding that's more than just silicon development. There's a software infrastructure building that is big, financially supported and not far removed from the way Apple are doing things with the iPhone. The control is there. The guidelines are there. The restricted hardware set is there. The ISV process seems to be both accessible and well controlled and with 150 people working on the Moblin core and distribution through partners like Canonical and Asianux who are also working on optimisations and UI, you know there's some big numbers involved."
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2008-03-12
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Originally Posted by vvaz
It certainly could.
Hmm. "yet" applies to IT or iPhone?
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2008-03-12
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Originally Posted by Rebski
Not the equivalent of a gnu-like system; while you can have open source iPhone apps, you can't (from what I hear) replace any part of existing system software. Some classes of applications are also practically impossible with the SDK.
Does this give the iPhone, to all practical intents and purposes, the capability equivalent to Open Source.
I'd say it's more like capability equivalent to JavaME hype; that is, what JavaME was supposed to bring before it became so hard to make things run well on diverse phones.
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2008-03-12
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Originally Posted by Rebski
I think people usually forgot proportions in SJ's RDF
Obviously Apple couldn't give a rat's elbow about potential competition from Nokia, but maybe it has an eye over it's shoulder at the upcoming competition from the Intel MID's.
That is Nokia which "couldn't give a rat's elbow about potential competition from Apple". Nokia has over 40% of world mobile market. Numbers from few weeks ago showed that N95 alone sold more items than iPhone. And N95 is only *one* model of smartphone from Nokia's quite deep and wide shelf in that segment.
Last edited by vvaz; 2008-03-12 at 20:29. Reason: s/Nokia/Apple/ in quote - Nokia doesn't compete with itself? :)
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2008-03-12
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Originally Posted by vvaz
There is no doubt Nokia sells a crap ton of S60 devices
I think people usually forgot proportions in SJ's RDF
That is Nokia which "couldn't give a rat's elbow about potential competition from Apple". Nokia has over 40% of world mobile market. Numbers from few weeks ago showed that N95 alone sold more items than iPhone. And N95 is only *one* model of smartphone from Nokia's quite deep and wide shelf in that segment.
Whats funny is that people aren't using the features on them. I know a few girls with N75's here in the US and they have NO idea what the hell S60 is or that they can install apps. To them its just a camera phone and they paid extra for the bigger screen. Its poorly marketed and very confusing for them. These girls all loaded the browser once or twice and just gave up because it was a pain in the *** to use. They pick my iPhone up and they are on Facebook in 5 seconds.Apple has 2% of the worldwide smartphone market and it has 50 times the web traffic than any other mobile. Google assumed it was an error and had their engineers recheck the data. Haha!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/667f13de-da6...0779fd2ac.html
Goes to show you that software design is everything. Apple's opportunity here is that they can sell services that people want. Having an AppStore and iTunes Store right there without any configuration is so great. This simply isn't there on any Nokia device S60 or Maemo.
A few taps and you're in a catalog of 3rd party apps. No dependencies, repositories... or digging in your settings to find some setting to allow apps without certificates to install since nothing is really certified. S60 and Maemo are way behind Apple's delivery platform.
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2008-03-12
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Originally Posted by sherifnix
Interesting, but in a way, it reminds me of the classic "Is Linux ready for the desktop" news article / blog post. My response is usually to yell at the monitor:
There is no doubt Nokia sells a crap ton of S60 devices
Apple has 2% of the worldwide smartphone market and it has 50 times the web traffic than any other mobile. Google assumed it was an error and had their engineers recheck the data. Haha!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/667f13de-da6...0779fd2ac.html
Goes to show you that software design is everything. Apple's opportunity here is that they can sell services that people want. Having an AppStore and iTunes Store right there without any configuration is so great. This simply isn't there on any Nokia device S60 or Maemo.
A few taps and you're in a catalog of 3rd party apps. No dependencies, repositories... or digging in your settings to find some setting to allow apps without certificates to install since nothing is really certified. S60 and Maemo are way behind Apple's delivery platform.
"Who gives a hoot if it's ready for the desktop?! It does what I want it to.
No, on second thought, may it never be ready for the desktop. O Great Modem in the Sky, spare us the torment of n00bish legions who know naught, and yet strive to know less!"
They pick up an iPhone, and in 5 seconds, they're on facebook. They should all buy iPhones. All the smart, or rather computer-competent, people should buy NITs and S60 phones. That'll keep the itT forums sane.
While it's interesting to see iPhones getting far more than their share of use for Google sources, it'd be interesting to see how other devices stack up in terms of googles/month/device sold. I think the N8x0s, even with their limited connectivity, would likely beat them. The iPhone is marketed heavily as an internet device, unlike most smartphones. The NITs are, too, and so a comparison would be interesting. Of course, unless Nokia is publishing sales figures of N800s, we probably can't see any such results.
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2008-03-12
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That is Nokia which "couldn't give a rat's elbow about potential competition from Apple". Nokia has over 40% of world mobile market. Numbers from few weeks ago showed that N95 alone sold more items than iPhone. And N95 is only *one* model of smartphone from Nokia's quite deep and wide shelf in that segment.
In what way could Apple be interested in anything that Nokia is doing with these devices?
Come to think of it, I find it hard to see that even Nokia is much interested either.
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2008-03-13
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Originally Posted by sherifnix
So the rest of the Nokia products get the same crappy marketing and UI treatment as the NIT's.
Its poorly marketed and very confusing for them. These girls all loaded the browser once or twice and just gave up because it was a pain in the *** to use. They pick my iPhone up and they are on Facebook in 5 seconds.
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2008-03-13
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Originally Posted by sherifnix
Uhh hows that any different to this
Goes to show you that software design is everything. Apple's opportunity here is that they can sell services that people want. Having an AppStore and iTunes Store right there without any configuration is so great. This simply isn't there on any Nokia device S60 or Maemo.
A few taps and you're in a catalog of 3rd party apps. No dependencies, repositories... or digging in your settings to find some setting to allow apps without certificates to install since nothing is really certified. S60 and Maemo are way behind Apple's delivery platform.
http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/
you go there on n8*0 click the click to install button and OMG it installs no hassles, it was so hard. Difference is you do not have to get apps from there, you can go to other maemo apps sites, no lock in.
Apples service is not free, you have to pay a fee to get apps hosted, plus they will take 30% of what ever you sell.
They will have no dependencies because every app will be standalone due to restrictions placed on the SDK, of no app being allowed to run in the background and no app being allowed to run another app.
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