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2008-10-20
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First of all, thanks Qole! You've made me fall in love with my n800 all over again. This is what the tablets should have been out of the box!
A couple of comments:
1)For anyone questioning the speed, I have a fairly recent Tabletkiosk UMPC running Vista, Debian on the n800 blows it out of the water. I've cleaned out my Hildon stuff and leave LXDE running all the time.
2)As regards running out of room in the image file, I've found that running 'deborphan' in a terminal after any changes thru synaptic or apt can produce a significant list of unneeded libs that can be removed. After customizing to suit my needs, this allowed me to remove ~50mb more. Also, as much as I love the Gimp, mtpaint saves you ~45mb more space, works faster and uses the screen realestate better, and has most of the functionality of the Gimp.
A couple of comments:
1)For anyone questioning the speed, I have a fairly recent Tabletkiosk UMPC running Vista, Debian on the n800 blows it out of the water. I've cleaned out my Hildon stuff and leave LXDE running all the time.
2)As regards running out of room in the image file, I've found that running 'deborphan' in a terminal after any changes thru synaptic or apt can produce a significant list of unneeded libs that can be removed. After customizing to suit my needs, this allowed me to remove ~50mb more. Also, as much as I love the Gimp, mtpaint saves you ~45mb more space, works faster and uses the screen realestate better, and has most of the functionality of the Gimp.
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2008-10-20
, 22:27
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@ CA
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#163
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Originally Posted by qole
Worked like a charm! I moved it into my /home/user directory and uncommented and updated the appropriate line in .chroot.
If you put the image file on /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2, Easy Debian will find it and use it. If you put it somewhere else, you will have to edit /home/user/.chroot and change the value of IMGFILE. It should be fairly obvious what to do when you look at ~/.chroot
Thanks for all your hard work on this. You really are a rockstar now!
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2008-10-20
, 22:54
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#164
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Originally Posted by qole
True the LXDE environment does load quickly. You are correct about Iceweasel and OpenOffice.. What makes it really bad (to me) is that there is no feedback as to what is happening. I'm used to far more responsive UI's.
Considering we're talking about a whole array of applications, "it" is not very helpful. The LXDE environment should load quickly and be quite responsive, but OpenOffice and Iceweasel take a long time to start, and they're both a bit sluggish on the tablet.
What part of KDE is more responsive? For me, the KDE environment is about the same as LXDE (although it takes a lot longer to start up), but the KOffice suite is definitely more responsive than OpenOffice and Konqueror is generally more responsive than Iceweasel. But many people prefer OpenOffice and Iceweasel and will live with some sluggishness.
I can respect those who have different preferences, but in my so far limited experience, KDE is much better for what I would want to do on the tablet. I suppose the newness will wear off and I'll go back too plain ole maemo.
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2008-10-20
, 23:24
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#165
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Originally Posted by sondjata
No. You are used to far faster CPUs.
I'm used to far more responsive UI's.
Firefox doesn't have a splash screen on the desktop either.
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2008-10-21
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#166
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Concerning speed:
I actually originally installed KDE before Debian, but then uninstalled KDE because I thought Debian was so much better (and better includes speed).
And this was after qole's first Easy-Debian release, not this highly refined version now.
Personally, I think Iceweasel is crap speed-wise on a tablet. I never use it; for browsing Epiphany[-gecko or -webkit] or Midori work for me.
Also, I try to stay away from OOo for the same reason; in fact, I usually only use it for reading and editing advanced spreadsheets (it has the best Excel compatibility...).
As for application-launch-feedback, I look to the cpu taskbar applet
I actually originally installed KDE before Debian, but then uninstalled KDE because I thought Debian was so much better (and better includes speed).
And this was after qole's first Easy-Debian release, not this highly refined version now.
Personally, I think Iceweasel is crap speed-wise on a tablet. I never use it; for browsing Epiphany[-gecko or -webkit] or Midori work for me.
Also, I try to stay away from OOo for the same reason; in fact, I usually only use it for reading and editing advanced spreadsheets (it has the best Excel compatibility...).
As for application-launch-feedback, I look to the cpu taskbar applet
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Mobile Device lineage: Palm Z22 -> Palm TX -> Nokia N800 -> Nokia N900
-Brent
Author of TouchSearch -- web searching software for Maemo 5.
Mobile Device lineage: Palm Z22 -> Palm TX -> Nokia N800 -> Nokia N900
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2008-10-21
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@ Guatemala
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#167
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Originally Posted by qole
First thanks for bringing my favorite distro to the NITs!
Finally, Easy Debian is available in the Extras Repository! ...
This will download and install the big image to the memory card of your choice. It will take about a half hour to download if you have fast Internet connection, and another 15 minutes to extract it on your tablet.
One question though, why require to download one big image file insted of 'debootstrapping' to a directory insted? so you can lower the space requirements by downloading and installing package by package (which avoids TCP starvation by the way), that's the only reason holding me to install: space.
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2008-10-21
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#168
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solca: A couple of options for you; you can install "Easy Debian Without The Apps", which is basically a debootstrap with a bit of tablet-specific tweaking. Or, if you want, you can install the very cool Deblet, which installs exactly as you say, package by package. The bonus of Deblet is that you can boot to it, too!
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2008-10-21
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Originally Posted by qole
Thanks!
solca: A couple of options for you; you can install "Easy Debian Without The Apps", which is basically a debootstrap with a bit of tablet-specific tweaking. Or, if you want, you can install the very cool Deblet, which installs exactly as you say, package by package. The bonus of Deblet is that you can boot to it, too!
I decided to backup one of my microSD cards to the PC, now I will try yours and Deblet after I finish partioning this card, now I am wondering why 'apt-get install e2fsprogs' fails under Diablo, it seems the debs are mising at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/dia...e/e/e2fsprogs/
seems somebody forgot to properly populate the repo
at least I found it at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mae...e/e/e2fsprogs/
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2008-10-21
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Woah, here's a great discovery:
Pimlico seems to load faster in the Easy Debian chroot than in Hildon. No explanation here... could just be my imagination, but it feels distinctly faster.
Furthermore, the EDS stuff remains consistent between the two environments. My calendar from Hildon's Pimlico is still accessible to Debian's, although only the first Local calendar - none of the others.
Another discovery: I can thus load Conduit and perform real syncing of my Evolution data, which means that Pimlico wins :P (For some reason the Maemo port of Conduit can't talk to Evolution yet).
One problem, though, is that Avahi isn't working for me. I set up Conduit with a network sync but _conduit._tcp from the N810 is not appearing my N810 on my other computer. Will do some poking. For now I could happily sync to an online file storage service.
Edit:
Okay, duh...
Thinking aloud now, but I just realized that avahi-daemon wasn't running on the tablet. (Anyone know of a nice, lightweight GUI to configure services on startup?)
Seems to hang, though. Too bad... may be because Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different versions. Or it may just be that Conduit 0.3.14 on the desktop is buggy :/
Now I almost want to run this chroot as my main environment, albeit with a tiny bit of the normal OS2008 environment underneath. It would be nice if we had something like XDM or GDM on startup with the tablet, because Deblet doesn't quite do it for me. (All that rebooting the tablet to get to another desktop environment is super wasteful considering that they all can run happily under the same kernel).
Last edited by Picklesworth; 2008-10-21 at 14:15.
Pimlico seems to load faster in the Easy Debian chroot than in Hildon. No explanation here... could just be my imagination, but it feels distinctly faster.
Furthermore, the EDS stuff remains consistent between the two environments. My calendar from Hildon's Pimlico is still accessible to Debian's, although only the first Local calendar - none of the others.
Another discovery: I can thus load Conduit and perform real syncing of my Evolution data, which means that Pimlico wins :P (For some reason the Maemo port of Conduit can't talk to Evolution yet).
One problem, though, is that Avahi isn't working for me. I set up Conduit with a network sync but _conduit._tcp from the N810 is not appearing my N810 on my other computer. Will do some poking. For now I could happily sync to an online file storage service.
Edit:
Okay, duh...
Thinking aloud now, but I just realized that avahi-daemon wasn't running on the tablet. (Anyone know of a nice, lightweight GUI to configure services on startup?)
Seems to hang, though. Too bad... may be because Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different versions. Or it may just be that Conduit 0.3.14 on the desktop is buggy :/
Now I almost want to run this chroot as my main environment, albeit with a tiny bit of the normal OS2008 environment underneath. It would be nice if we had something like XDM or GDM on startup with the tablet, because Deblet doesn't quite do it for me. (All that rebooting the tablet to get to another desktop environment is super wasteful considering that they all can run happily under the same kernel).
Last edited by Picklesworth; 2008-10-21 at 14:15.
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