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Originally Posted by TheTree
Yes, that's why this thread is so long. And there's no "if." It's done. Read the presentation. No Nokian has come on here and refuted that any part of it is inaccurate. Stylus support will have to be ported. To be fair, they dropped this bomb no later than January. But that doesn't mean it's cool. I would say quite the opposite. It's mildly sadistic, actually. They're gonna take this b*tchin' hardware and peddle it to the likes of iPhone users right in front of my face.
In this I disagree with you. In most cases, yes, relative movement is unnecessary, especially if a stylus is available. However, if Nokia drops the support for a stylus, then relative cursor movement can provide much greater accuracy than a finger can, making it much easier to use apps like Gnumeric or Abiword.
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2009-04-15
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Originally Posted by daperl
Thankyou, not my intention to add to the definition of frustration
I've submitted your definition of "frustration" to Websters. Good work.
I believe it to be correct that the next tablets will not be phones, although they may have a cellular data connection.
This means that I would still have to carry a phone (not that I want a convergent device anyway, but that's a different discussion). My phone is already capable of playing mp3's, checking email, checking the web, taking photo's. So I already have a device that meets my basic "mobile" needs.
If I need to, I can bring a laptop along and enjoy a full-fledged computing experience when I reach my destination.
However, in most cases I don't want / have room / *need* to take my laptop. This is where the tablets come in. I find it useful to have a device that I can use comfortably to do many tasks similar to those on my laptop (although not quite as easily). Tasks that I would find near impossible / extremely annoying to do on my phone, even if it had the power to do them.
I am looking for something *hopefully* pocketable, that is almost a laptop.
I just bought my N800 in November, and a month ago would have gladly plopped down $350-$400 on a new tablet when it comes out. This was based on the current interface style and the community.
Now, I will wait to what kind of cases (with stylus accommodations) are available, and how quickly the ui is hacked (beyond my skills) to become more usable for what I am looking for.
In the meantime there are other things out there competing for my money and attention which could further delay any purchase.
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2009-04-15
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Originally Posted by mobiledivide
Come to think of it, i *would* mind/be disappointed if all Nokia manages to make out of maemo is an iPhone clone family which is sort of legally jailbroken.
I think if the Rx-51 was a capacitive touch screen and Maemo5 was locked down like the iPhone OSX I would have much to complain about. As it is all I see in the future is all the great things from the device I use now, with added power and a pretty animated launcher.
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2009-04-16
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Originally Posted by daperl
I haven't had a chance to go through the whole presentation yet (my plan for this evening), but my understanding from reading the thread and what others have discussed is that there will no longer be a stylus-oriented virtual keyboard. This, I assume, does not mean the stylus has been completely eliminated from the device, just that it's not longer considered to be necessary for text input. Again correct me if I'm wrong here guys... but to ship a next gen tablet that didn't have any kind of stylus/precision pointing device is contradictory to the whole concept of the tablet (i.e. what's the point in the nice high res, super dense screen if you can only interact with it with your relatively enormous finger; I have a hard enough time as it is hitting links on web pages and things sometimes... now I mean if Nokia's changing their target market to young ladies with only the most delicate fingers then alright, but I would have thought THAT would be in the technology presentations ;o) ).
Yes, that's why this thread is so long. And there's no "if." It's done. Read the presentation. No Nokian has come on here and refuted that any part of it is inaccurate. Stylus support will have to be ported. To be fair, they dropped this bomb no later than January. But that doesn't mean it's cool. I would say quite the opposite.
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2009-04-16
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Originally Posted by jolouis
I haven't had a chance to go through the whole presentation yet (my plan for this evening), but my understanding from reading the thread and what others have discussed is that there will no longer be a stylus-oriented virtual keyboard. This, I assume, does not mean the stylus has been completely eliminated from the device, just that it's not longer considered to be necessary for text input. Again correct me if I'm wrong here guys... but to ship a next gen tablet that didn't have any kind of stylus/precision pointing device is contradictory to the whole concept of the tablet (i.e. what's the point in the nice high res, super dense screen if you can only interact with it with your relatively enormous finger; I have a hard enough time as it is hitting links on web pages and things sometimes... now I mean if Nokia's changing their target market to young ladies with only the most delicate fingers then alright, but I would have thought THAT would be in the technology presentations ;o) ).
Simply speaking, the point of doing so would mean that something else on the UI-input side of things has been addressed to compensate for this. It is most probably a combination of hardware (refinements to resistive screen tech) and software (maginification, gestures, multi-touch, etc) that when programmed into Maemo 5, offers just as many, if not more scaleable options than not having those, and relying still on the two pronged approach of finger for some/stylus for some.
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2009-04-16
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This, I assume, does not mean the stylus has been completely eliminated from the device, just that it's not longer considered to be necessary for text input.
what's the point in the nice high res, super dense screen if you can only interact with it with your relatively enormous finger;
Relevant parts of the pdf:
• For Pocket/handheld sized mobile devices
• Internet oriented devices, best browsing experience that you can get in pocket size device
• Small form factor 800x480 screen
• Finger optimized touch screen
• On screen virtual keyboard or mobile optimized small size qwerty keyboard
• Maemo is not for desktops
• Maemo is not for small low resolution screen mobile phones
• No stuff that wont fit in your pocket
• No need for hard disk
• No need full size keyboard
• No mouse
• No need for big heavy battery
• No need for big screen
• No stuff that spoils your internet experience
• No keyboard only navigation
• No mini siz e low resolution screen
• Not limited to one toolkit
Improved usability
• Designed for finger usage, not depending of stylus
• No small UI elements
• Scrolling from content pane, not small scrollbars
• Improved dialog layout
• Compositing window manager
A glimpse of all this can be seen in the alpha/beta SDK. What exactly happens to usability outside of Maemo-optimized/default applications is yet unclear to me.
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2009-04-16
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I think some of the Nokians have replied to this thread. *I* don't think that it would be a major secret / breach if someone had replied confirming the existence of a stylus.
It would have been easy to say the UI is changing, but the stylus will remain. Being that this hasn't occurred, I must conclude that silence=confirmation (or at least lack of certainty on the subject, which isn't good either).
Therefore, my only conclusion is that the next tablets will be stylus-free.
It would have been easy to say the UI is changing, but the stylus will remain. Being that this hasn't occurred, I must conclude that silence=confirmation (or at least lack of certainty on the subject, which isn't good either).
Therefore, my only conclusion is that the next tablets will be stylus-free.
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2009-04-16
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
Or NDA. They risk their jobs if they tell too much about the new hardware.
Being that this hasn't occurred, I must conclude that silence=confirmation (or at least lack of certainty on the subject, which isn't good either).
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2009-04-16
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Well, whatever Nokia does, I hope it's something that the market wants. I've just read that their Q1 profits are down 90% from this time last year.
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The promotion of Maemo to forum Nokia for official developer support and the inclusion of the Ovi Store will add the commercial layer that a lot of users feel is lacking in our current ecosystem.
Kate talks about animation libraries and a direction for Maemo that I have no problem with. I look at Mac OSX that is a combination of simple accessible window manager style over a pretty powerful and stable base.
I think if the Rx-51 was a capacitive touch screen and Maemo5 was locked down like the iPhone OSX I would have much to complain about. As it is all I see in the future is all the great things from the device I use now, with added power and a pretty animated launcher.