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#161
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Originally Posted by MaemoGuy
There's a dev link (?) somewhere where it is explicitly stated that MMS was not included for initial release and listed a series of rationalizations for it. So, most definitely "no" to MMS at release.
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Originally Posted by Espoo888
I went to see the N900 on Saturday. The Nokia rep that was handling the device at the time didn't really know anything about it (I knew more). I think it may be because they haven't yet recieved training on it?
Just had 10 minutes to play with a N900 in the Nokia Store, Helsinki.
I wish I could have had more time but there were people waiting behind me and my wife's continuous "can we go now" was starting to bring me out of my trance
Overall very, very impressed and I will not be cancelling my pre-orderSwitching between desktops, applications and the dashboard is smooth as silk and very intuitive. The build quality is good and the screen is responsive and very sharp. The UI graphics are also pretty sweet and with the user customisation potential I think we can safely say that Nokia have taken it to the next level - chew on that Apple1
The only problems I noticed were:
1. YouTube videos did not stream well over wifi - JKK posted a very good video which also shows the same problem
http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/09/jk...o-and-podcast/
2. There is some v-sync tearing visible now and then - scrolling through the panoramic desktops and playing back a video I shot with the device
3. Whilst zooming in and out during browsing the phone had problems keeping up with the rendering.
4. Activating links in the browser was a little tricky - but I think that most of that was me not being used to the touchscreen - I also didn't have time to play with the "mouse cursor" thingy
All of the above should be fixable in firmware updates. I do not know if there will be a firmware upgrade before the production models ship (probably) but my feeling is that the N900 will need a couple of decent firmware upgrades before it really starts to fly.
Also, the device could have been better set up as a demo model. For example there were no video clips, photos or music library pre-installed - which is pretty poor given the its capabilities in those areas.
In my opinion, Nokia firmware/application development and support and community application development are the factors that will make the difference between this being a very good or a truly great device. Let there be no doubt (I know there's not much here
Roll on October
I asked her if it was a pre-prod or a prototype. She said it was a prototype with about a month old software loaded (NOT the latest version & NOT the version at NW AFAIK). She also said the hardware wasn't final and that the touch screen in this device had already begun to loose its sensitivity when I tried it on Saturday (they received the device on the 3rd of sept). I wonder if they now have a device from NW or several devices? You'd think it would be better for the compan to show of a newer device with a touchscreen that is not a prototype.
tl;dr version:
My experience with the device was awesome. I tried playing youtube videos (clicked on the first one I could on the main page) and it loaded and played without problems or stuttering as seen in some videos, I wonder if the device was booted before the poster I quoted tried the divce? The rep said that over 200 people try this prototype every day, and since it's an early software it might suffer from memory leaks which would deteriorate video playback smoothness. The device froze just before I tested it and the rep booted it just prior to handing it to me. Flash seems to take around 10 seconds to load after the main page has loaded, the cursor that you load from the left side worked just fine once I got to used it, as did the spin zooming with one hand, to get better performance out of it you need to spin in a small circle, not a wide one.
I loved the stylus + web browsing. That combined with the Highres screen made web browsing awesome. It limited the need to zoom in to click links like you have to do on the iPhone (if they are closely spaced). It loaded heavy sites like engadget or hs.fi easily, beating IE 6 on the PC.
The screen was IMO just as sensitive as on the iPhone, eventhough it wasn't as good as it was suposed to be.
I like it, will be definately buying it.
If you feel I missed something, ask. I could go back and test it again later in the week, since my school & work place are quite close to the flagship store.
Oh yeah, they should reveale availability this week, and the rep told me to expect it in the first half of october, possibly the first week.
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#163
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Originally Posted by YoDude
if your connected by way of UMTS/HSPA, yes, as it was specifically designed to handle data and voice at the same time (how else would it be able to handle a video call?), but not with a GSM/EDGE connection.
Will a user be able to browse the internet while in a call on speaker phone or with a BT headset using only the N900's cellular connection (no WiFi)? ... BTW, is there even a dang speaker phone?
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2009-09-07
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#164
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Originally Posted by MaemoGuy
No file transfer via IM?
Not that I can see.
When you open up Conversation aplet, which handles both IM chat and SMS, there's no option for MMS.
Also, in both IM and SMS sessions, I can't find a way to add an attachment either. so it looks like it can handle purely text messages on IM and SMS.
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2009-09-07
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#165
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Originally Posted by tso
Not necessarily, for example, UMTS/HSPA was also specifically designed to handle MMS but the N900 can't do that due to complications of integrating linux with telephony stack (or possibly a bug or something else). And 5800 (or other Symbian phone) isn't an accurate indicator of what the N900 can do.
if your connected by way of UMTS/HSPA, yes, as it was specifically designed to handle data and voice at the same time (how else would it be able to handle a video call?), but not with a GSM/EDGE connection.
This is a big step forward - integrating linux with 3G, so I think it's prudent to watch reviews and videos to ensure that certain functionality or use cases do in fact work.
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2009-09-07
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#166
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well the umts data should be a radio thing, as the gsm radio used the same channel for both talk and data.
still, nokia's mms explanation makes about zero sense, given that android seems to handle it fine, without a need for kernel patches.
all in all, there should be no technical hitch, in theory, when it comes to surfing and talking at the same time.
still, nokia's mms explanation makes about zero sense, given that android seems to handle it fine, without a need for kernel patches.
all in all, there should be no technical hitch, in theory, when it comes to surfing and talking at the same time.
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#167
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Originally Posted by tso
UMTS standardizes the cellular connection and the user equipment is always abstracted in the specs. Just because simultaneous data and voice is supported by UMTS doesn't mean that the N900 supports it. MMS is a case in point. It is supported by UMTS and yet there is some hitch, technical or not, which prevents the N900 from performing MMS.
well the umts data should be a radio thing, as the gsm radio used the same channel for both talk and data.
still, nokia's mms explanation makes about zero sense, given that android seems to handle it fine, without a need for kernel patches.
all in all, there should be no technical hitch, in theory, when it comes to surfing and talking at the same time.
Point is, we can't assume that the N900 supports a particular feature just because the feature is part of the UMTS standard.
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2009-09-07
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heh, why do it seem like nokia is rushing the release to reach the christmas shoppers?
kinda like "get basic phone and data in there and working! the rest we can SSU in later!"...
kinda like "get basic phone and data in there and working! the rest we can SSU in later!"...
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#169
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Originally Posted by tso
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_Razor
heh, why do it seem like nokia is rushing the release to reach the christmas shoppers?
kinda like "get basic phone and data in there and working! the rest we can SSU in later!"...
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texaslabrats and texrats, color me confused
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