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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by qole
Sorry, my English is very bad and I did not understand what you mean.
Well, actually you need two key things that have been poorly done, or missing entirely (in the past) from Nokia's open source attempts:
1) release early and often (no hiding code in between releases!)
2) provide a low barrier to entry (make the released code usable)
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2009-09-25
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#163
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Originally Posted by qole
Actually, I very solidly disagree with this one.
Well, actually you need two key things that have been poorly done, or missing entirely (in the past) from Nokia's open source attempts:
1) release early and often (no hiding code in between releases!)
The worst thing about most open source projects is that their release engineering and release cycles are abysmally immature.
"release early and often" == "no one with more than 3 functioning brain cells should depend on this software for anything useful".
Release when stable. Release when there's a point to the changes being distributed. Release when the release has matured and been vetted.
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2009-09-25
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#164
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
There is a paradox in that. Nobody will try the software unless it is stable. Best example is Linux kernel 2.6.0. So many 2.5.x verions, so many 2.6.0-test versions. Only after 2.6.0 was released some very, very nasty bugs were found, and solved.
Actually, I very solidly disagree with this one.
The worst thing about most open source projects is that their release engineering and release cycles are abysmally immature.
"release early and often" == "no one with more than 3 functioning brain cells should depend on this software for anything useful".
Release when stable. Release when there's a point to the changes being distributed. Release when the release has matured and been vetted.
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2009-09-25
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#165
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Or make three versions:
Actually, I very solidly disagree with this one.
The worst thing about most open source projects is that their release engineering and release cycles are abysmally immature.
"release early and often" == "no one with more than 3 functioning brain cells should depend on this software for anything useful".
Release when stable. Release when there's a point to the changes being distributed. Release when the release has matured and been vetted.
Unstable (in development), Testing and Stable.
- Unstable, for developers. Add all features.
- Testing for find bug. no feature added.
- Stable for end user. Version provided by default.
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2009-09-25
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#166
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Yes, see alpha and beta versions of SDK, Extras versus Extras-Devel. But when not enough people test and fix bugs on Testing/Beta/Extras-Devel the quality of Stable/Release/Extras won't be good enough.
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2009-09-25
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#167
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Originally Posted by korbé
ain't that just a Alpha, Beta and public release. practically the whole world is using that strategy over last few years
Or make three versions:
Unstable (in development), Testing and Stable.
- Unstable, for developers. Add all features.
- Testing for find bug. no feature added.
- Stable for end user. Version provided by default.
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2009-09-25
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#168
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
I have no disrespect for C and I plan to learn Python once I get my N900. But it does not alter the fact that C/C++ might as well be binary for most people. I do understand it to a point, but not enough to do anything useful. Also talking about hiring a programmer is great if you are a big business, but as an end-user its cheaper to buy a copy of Windows where it "just works".
You just insulted tons of C and Python programmers.
Funny you should bring up PulseAudio too as ever since Mandriva switched to PulseAudio I cannot get sound to work properly. PulseAudio does not support digital passthru over SPDIF which highlights my point exactly of what for me is the problem with Linux. They happily remove functionality I have been using for years in favour of something new and better, which is not feature complete. Just like how mucked up KDE 4 is compared to KDE 3.
I have also failed to switch back to OSS/ALSA. I uninstalled PulseAudio and got back to ALSA but now have other audio issues and SPDIF still does not work. You just do not have these problems on OS X and Windows.
C/C++ is way above what my brain can handle. A little bash, PHP and Javascript is my limit which is why I suspect I may be able to get into Python a little. But no way do I have the skill to fix the problems I have above. Problems I do not have on Windows 7 as it "just works".
On the other hand I love Linux. It was originally my dialup router and file server, now acts as both fileserver, audio jukebox (when it works) and desktop machine. I would never want to do that with Windows, for a start I would have to buy it first and worry about viruses. But it does not alter the fact, open source is not the holy grail people make it out to be.
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2009-09-25
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#169
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Well... yes and no. If managed properly, release-early-and-often improves your opportunities to catch and fix bugs quickly by expanding your set of testers... which leads to more stability.
Release when stable. Release when there's a point to the changes being distributed. Release when the release has matured and been vetted.
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2009-09-25
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#170
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Originally Posted by NvyUs
-CURRENT/Sid/Unstable/SVN is not same as alpha. It is even more dangerous. After you freeze you get alpha/beta/rc/release.
ain't that just a Alpha, Beta and public release. practically the whole world is using that strategy over last few years
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