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2011-08-17
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#162
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Just to be clear, my position is that we need to start heading for Something Else, as the Maemo community is a "cut flower" -- it will look good in the vase for a while, but it isn't going to grow anymore.
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2011-08-17
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2011-08-17
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#164
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As mikecomputing said, it is x11 but gtk/qt looks VERY ugly. QML is the way to go for meego/harmattan. If you still want to use gtk/qt you have to modify your app anyway, ie like Fennec, so still requires some work. All I can say is been there done that and qml is the MUCH prefered graphical toolkit to use for meego/harmattan.
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2011-08-17
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As mikecomputing said, it is x11 but gtk/qt looks VERY ugly. QML is the way to go for meego/harmattan. If you still want to use gtk/qt you have to modify your app anyway, ie like Fennec, so still requires some work. All I can say is been there done that and qml is the MUCH prefered graphical toolkit to use for meego/harmattan.
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2011-08-17
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#166
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IF (and maybe only if) we don't unwind talk.maemo.org back to ITT, I propose reaching out to umpcportal for possible migration there. They have a nice forum and address a very broad array of devices and topics all oriented toward MIDs/UMPCs/etc. To me it's a natural, logical fit.
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2011-08-17
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#167
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Am I reading too much into the above, or is porting existing apps going to be a lot more hassle than hildon-ising used to be?
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2011-08-17
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#168
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Because if I recall correctly the schedule for the end of Nokia funding was end of 2012
we need to vote to give the Community Council power to appropriate donations and to perform server renting, site administration, etc, on behalf of the community. If we do this, we also need to consider a demand for transparency - if donations get handled by the Council, we'll need to expect that we know what money is going where and how. IF we do that, in turn we need to think of some financial structure to the 'community' and the Council, in that the money should ideally not be stored in some community member's bank account, etc.
I say the sooner we start setting up a mirror of all the extras repositories the better, because we'll have more time to iron out bugs with trying to get autobuilders set up and working.
Which brings me to the next main point... The binary blobs, particularly the non-freely-distributable ones. Now, Nokians have said in at least one bug-report (I believe it was about getbootstate, prob'ly a source code release request) comment that they have a policy that redistribution of closed binaries / modified scripts for the purpose of developing is accepted behavior in Nokia's eyes.
Which means we can weasel around at an end-user level, hiding our own stashes of closed source blobs and out local image copies.
Frankly, if we don't have a resolution to this, eventually Maemo 5 will indeed die
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2011-08-17
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#169
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You calm me, I know about "gtk/qt looks VERY ugly" starting from Fremantle on N900. But not any app has problem here and I was just worrying that they disable a regular X11 interface.
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2011-08-18
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#170
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Meego/harmattan is running normal xorg-server (x11) so both gtk and qt can be made to work but I wouldn't bet on that Nokia will make that happen. Dunno about gtk (maybe it's not even there) but qt on the n950 dev-kit is just stock desktop qt and looks VERY ugly. Rewriting in qml is the only possible way forward as I see it.
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Which was my main point with the last part of the above rant - I think there's enough skilled devs (I'll try my hardest to contribute, but I'm not exactly a programming legend here) in the community to pull Maemo 5 out of its current situation where it's tied down by specific binary blobs, and if we rewrote those, Maemo 5 could be rapidly upgraded to much more recent kernel versions and benefit from other MeeGo code. Between MeeGo, and the Cordia project on top of it, you'd have a new direction already, but my point is Maemo 5 need not die when that direction is taken. With sufficient effort it can be taken in that new direction too.
@Texrat: Believe me, I'm by no means one of those who feels the council doesn't communicate enough (like a certain someone who posts the council needs to be communicating more on the Ask The Council thread itself, while council members post around him). I do have difficulty noticing when [Council] topics go up, or when certain meetings/events/etc happen, but now that I think about it that's my fault more so than the council's. Also, I did note the presence of you, Qole, and SD69 in here, and that did not go unappreciated.
Last edited by Mentalist Traceur; 2011-08-17 at 21:41. Reason: Mistyped SD69's name