True only for part of people. Others like me just wonder about this deal that is quite bad and risky for Nokia.

I think it might be a normal thing if Nokia would offer WP7 phones as alternative to their proprietary ones like Samsung offeres Bada + WP7 + Android.

The real interesting thing is Nokia completely gives up own infrastructure (ecosystem) and seems to have no alternatives in case WP7 fails.

We don't know that. Nokia/MS only share information on a need to know basis. So far they say continue with Qt and start with MS tools.

Nokia will very soon need something that can compete with Samsungs Bada. The only conceivable thing right now is a Qt based platform on Nokias proprietary OS (S40) or some other RTOS like the newest versions of multicore and multitasking RTOS like Nucleus or Enea OSE. WP seems to be a total overkill for this.

Bada sold 1.3 million units last year. 2% of the global cellphone market.

For comparison, the Samsung Galaxy S sold like 5 million in total alone. Not sure if I would call Bada a competitor quite yet.

Interesting thread on the subject, from march last year:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=647239

Basically, what they're saying is that WP7 is a Microsoft copy of iphone OS.
So, since Microsoft doesn't know how to improve winCE, they make it worse, and call it "easier" or "more user-friendly"?
With aggressive marketing, the best Nokia can ever hope for, is to become second to the iphone. Which seems unlikely considering Android will still exist.

Does any of that sound like a winning recipe?
To me it sounds more like a scam looking for a sucker, and in this case it'll be Nokia, who in the end takes all the HW costs.

Nonsense. They sold 1.3 million the third quarter last year (read your link ). Last year they sold more than 5 million devices, and that was from approx June. They will (hope to) sell 15 mill in the first half of 2011, and looks to be going OK by now.
http://techrice.com/2011/02/23/bada-...a-for-samsung/

I don't mind admitting that I stated it wrong; however in that very same quarter, more Android phones were sold by Samsung - that was my real point. Less than 5k development houses have moved to Bada.

I can't say that those numbers are impressive to me. And hoping to sell 15 million doesn't mean they will. I swear I've heard the same numbers for WP7.

We'll see...

Perhaps not, but Samsung is in no hurry with Bada, and Samsung is only gradually widening the distribution. Bada is their new "dumbphone"-OS. It will gradually take over for older devices like their dumbphone touch screen phones which sell much more than their Android devices.

IMO Bada is the next generation smartphones OS. A platform with a C++ API running on a modern multitasking, multicore RTOS as the application OS. It also has full Java support, and from 2.0, also html5 and NFC, full multitasking etc. Fully scalable, from the cheapest HW to the most fancy, lightening fast and due to the RTOS - unbelievable battery capacity. My 1 GHz Wave 8500 last a week with moderate use and standby time of almost a month. Utilizing the CPU at full speed (gaming) it will of course last as long (or short) as any other smartphone.

It is this path Nokia wanted to go, and hoped to go with Symbian/Qt. Maemo/MeeGo never had a place in that path. What will happen with WP remains to be seen, it looks very high(ish) end to me, certainly nothing like Bada.

I am sure Nokia/WP will be cool phones, but how they are going to compete with Bada is a mystery to me.

Last company that wasn't in a hurry with a product was Nokia with Maemo/MeeGo.

Not a good tactic.

That is completely different. There are NO MeeGo phones, there are NO commercially available and usable MeeGo, just a lot of hot air.

Bada is working, it is growing at a rate like nothing else, only Android is comparable, and Bada is only marketed mainly in Europe yet. Going to China this year, and the US probably not before next year.

Samsung cannot go faster with Bada, they don't have the logistics and the production in place for anything but a gradual introduction. Phones are introduced at the same rate as older dumbphones are phased out. Second, Bada is completely new, and will not become fully operational before 2,0 coming this summer (fully operational meaning full multitasking, html5 and NFC).

The more I think about this, The more I am sure that Nokia really need something similar, everybody does in fact. Bada is keeping a low profile, but it is gaining momentum similar to Android, in fact much faster than Android did. Bada is an infinitely better concept, much better performance than Android, smoother, faster, 5-10x better battery life, better API (C++).

Just fyi...

I'm not sure if Aava's Intel MeeGo phone is counted as commercially available, yet, but I'm pretty sure MeeGo tablets are commercially available now.

CarryPad, a MeeGo-based tablets are sold in Germany now. Many OEM manufacturers in China have already announced Meego-based tablets and automotive In-Vehicle Infotainment (IVI) last quarter. The biggest brand among them is Red Flag, a major moblin tablets manufacturer in China.