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2013-08-08
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Originally Posted by uTMY
I don't really blame them for that. Business wants to make money and regulations often stand in way of that. So business tries to find ways around or simply ignore them until someone challenges it and wins.
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2013-08-08
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Not to the same degree, although I invariably wished for a faster processor and more RAM.
Out of curiosity, do you not think that Nokia was similarly overpriced for what you got? N900 excepted.
Also NOKIA contributed to Linux, sponsored Pyside and bought Trolltech and released Qt under the LGPL (a non-GPL license for Qt used to cost thousands) so I used to feel buying a NOKIA had indirect benefits. I bet all the NOKIA's I've ever owned didn't add up to the cost of a license for Qt prior to NOKIA acquiring it.
I'd also never heard any stories about NOKIA manufacturing plants requiring suicide nets, that'd got to be worth a few dollars more. That's yet another way it's vomit-inducing to see WinKia mimicking Apple, shutting down their own manufacturing plants and subcontracting the work to those dreadful sweatshops.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Early in 2011 I read an article about research that had been done to find the world's top 30 green mobile phones (I think the article was published on the 'All About Symbian' web site and the research was done by goodguide.com). 26 of the top 30 were NOKIAs and every one of the top ten were NOKIAs.
Too bad the world's ecosystems (nature) are in a serious downturn and are severely polluted. Maybe that's what he's honestly referencing... the polluted ecosystems all around us.
Underneath the article there was a contribution in the comments section from someone who claimed to be a NOKIA employee and s/he said this was part of NOKIA's DNA, the importance of it was drummed into every employee from the very first day they joined.
I'm willing to wager that's another part of NOKIA's business culture that's bitten the dust.
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2013-08-08
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
After four years of pure domination, I would still tip my hat to Apple. Originality, leadership, profitability, one amazing company. Samsung is a great company too. They thrive on opportunism, thievery, plagiarism and good business models. I am with Apple anytime on this one. I am not sure what you are gloating over. Apple reinvented the mobile experience for the masses. And it came from a freakishly closed system.
Windows is a closed source OS but it isn't a 'closed system', far from it in fact. You can buy software from any source for any purpose and install it without needing Microsoft's approval. You can write your own software, in any programming language you like, that interacts with any/all of your PCs capabilities and install it on your own hardware without restriction. Your Windows PC will act as a USB host for any other device irrespective of the OS on the other device. Same with networking, same with bluetooth, etc...
Windows Phone would be a much more interesting proposition if it offered the same possibilities as Windows on a PC but it doesn't, instead Microsoft decided to mimic Apple's control freakery. That combined with a fugly UI isn't particularly enticing.
Another point to take on board is when you buy a PC it always has Windows preinstalled. Personally I wipe it and replace it with something better but a majority of users just live with what's installed on a device when they buy it. Windows dominates PCs by default not because users choose it. Microsoft don't have that luxury in smartphones and tablets.
Last quarter Samsung overtook Apple for profits on mobile phones too.
Here's a little teaser for you Lumiaman:
What do the Burj Khalifa, Taipei 101 and Petronas Towers have in common with a Galaxy S4?
With regards to MS, they are copying the Apple model, and unlike you, I like their UI. I love the big tiles, easily recognizable and usable as opposed to everyone else inspired and copied from Apple.
The beauty of all this is that we have a beautiful variety of OSs, closeness and openness, hardware, ecosystems to chose from. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages.
I could care less what S4 has in common with anything. Aint interested in copycats. If I want Apple like UI, I buy Apple.
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2013-08-08
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get it right ... it's "couldn't" care less.
And your continuous FUD is disingenuous.
Samsung/Android UI is very different from Apple, ie not copied or thieved as you keep trying to make out, you don't have to copy Icons.
Android has Widgets not just Icons. Not copied.
Please lets not revisit this again.
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-08 at 23:31.
And your continuous FUD is disingenuous.
Samsung/Android UI is very different from Apple, ie not copied or thieved as you keep trying to make out, you don't have to copy Icons.
Android has Widgets not just Icons. Not copied.
Please lets not revisit this again.
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-08 at 23:31.
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2013-08-08
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
It's interesting how when Apple are banged to rights stealing Samsung's IP for real technology (i.e. not just a black rectangle with rounded corners or a green icon with a picture of a phone on) the ban gets vetoed by the US government. Where's the x billion dollar payout?
Samsung is a great company too. They thrive on opportunism, thievery, plagiarism and good business models.
Originally Posted by Lumiaman
What was new about the Apple UI? Do you think phones didn't have grids of icons before the iPhone? Do you think the LG Prada, a phone accepted as prior art in a European court case on the iPhone design, didn't have icons? And the LG Chocolate before that? And Symbian phones didn't have grids of icons?
I could care less what S4 has in common with anything. Aint interested in copycats. If I want Apple like UI, I buy Apple.
Here's a video of the Prada. Note the grid of icons, note the docked icons at the bottom of the home screen and then note the upload date.
So what was Apple's great 'innovation'? Making the icons prettier? If I stick sequins on my boxer shorts does that count as an innovation? A whole new way to experience pants?
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2013-08-08
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@Switch
"Do you think phones didn't have grids of icons before the iPhone?"
Problem is, when Lumiaman respouts this crap next week it will be like he never had the evidence to the contrary and will not accept his statement has been put to bed, he just comes out with the same.
Any sane person readjusts their world view when presented with incontrovertible facts.
Not Lumiaman, he just continues to restate proven falsehoods and fails to present any actual facts to support statements he makes, just heresay and rumour.
It's quite sad really.
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-09 at 00:07.
"Do you think phones didn't have grids of icons before the iPhone?"
Problem is, when Lumiaman respouts this crap next week it will be like he never had the evidence to the contrary and will not accept his statement has been put to bed, he just comes out with the same.
Any sane person readjusts their world view when presented with incontrovertible facts.
Not Lumiaman, he just continues to restate proven falsehoods and fails to present any actual facts to support statements he makes, just heresay and rumour.
It's quite sad really.
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-09 at 00:07.
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2013-08-09
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Originally Posted by uTMY
You truly make me laugh. Re read all the discussion above, you have been caught wrong on so many points. Proved you wrong about Symbian and Samsung, proved you wrong on business model versus open source, you also made up the whole thing about MS illegalities. I think you are one of those individuals that for some reason is fixated on something and uses everything in his power to prove it. I think people are laughing at your sad state of affairs.
@Switch
"Do you think phones didn't have grids of icons before the iPhone?"
Problem is, when Lumiaman respouts this crap next week it will be like he never had the evidence to the contrary and will not accept his statement has been put to bed, he just comes out with the same.
Any sane person readjusts their world view when presented with incontrovertible facts.
Not Lumiaman, he just continues to restate proven falsehoods and fails to present any actual facts to support statements he makes, just heresay and rumour.
It's quite sad really.
rgds
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2013-08-09
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Originally Posted by uTMY
Hey Britophile,
get it right ... it's "couldn't" care less.
And your continuous FUD is disingenuous.
Samsung/Android UI is very different from Apple, ie not copied or thieved as you keep trying to make out, you don't have to copy Icons.
Android has Widgets not just Icons. Not copied.
Please lets not revisit this again.
rgds
I could care less: gives 822,000,000 results on Google
I couldnt care less: gives about 91,300,000 results
Who is right? Got my point bud.
You are like a little parakeet, caged, isolated and not well fed.
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2013-08-09
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
It's interesting how when Apple are banged to rights stealing Samsung's IP for real technology (i.e. not just a black rectangle with rounded corners or a green icon with a picture of a phone on) the ban gets vetoed by the US government. Where's the x billion dollar payout?
What was new about the Apple UI? Do you think phones didn't have grids of icons before the iPhone? Do you think the LG Prada, a phone accepted as prior art in a European court case on the iPhone design, didn't have icons? And the LG Chocolate before that? And Symbian phones didn't have grids of icons?
Here's a video of the Prada. Note the grid of icons, note the docked icons at the bottom of the home screen and then note the upload date.
So what was Apple's great 'innovation'? Making the icons prettier? If I stick sequins on my boxer shorts does that count as an innovation? A whole new way to experience pants?
I think your post can be summed up in one sentence: Envious.
Even your parakeet below said he develops apps for iOS and the ecosystem was there first with Apple. You are missing the point. It was the whole greater than the sum of its parts that Apple invented and every single company is currently copying them. Including how the products are packaged. You remember N8, came in package that was exactly the same as iphone was shipped. They even copied the package!!! Although my nick is Lumiaman (a joke by the way), and I like and owned, and still own several NOKIAs, I pay my respect where its due. They opened a whole new world for developers, accessories, and other companies. It was the WHOLE experience not just one thing. And everyone is copying it. Everyone. And you are envious!! Not sure why such envy.
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2013-08-09
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Originally Posted by pichlo
I don't see how that could harm Jolla, as far as I understand they have 2-pronged strategy; They want to both make smartphones under thir own brand and license SailfishOS to any and all willing partners, Nokia included.
Originally Posted by switch-hitterJolla should stay independent.
NOKIA should negotiate a licensing agreement with Jolla though so they can give their hardware the high calibre OS it deserves.
Android's market share is now nearly 80%, the market really could do with another powerful OS on decent hardware to provide some much needed competition. It's just proving too easy for Android to pound crippled lightweights like iOS and WP into the ground.
But don't the two things go against each other? <A small company X> licensing its OS to Nokia would just mean the end of <a small company X>. Or at least the end of <a small company X>'s independency.
I'd imagine Nokia could fairly easily license SailfisOS and port it to thir own HW implementation, there are no great technical challenges on doing so. To top it off, SailfishOS shares heritage on prior Nokia OS'es and lots of the implementation has been done by people that have deep knowledge of Nokia HW
There might be political/commercial hurdles though, for example the rumoured Nokia/MS agreement prohibiting use of other smartphone OS'es than WP on high-end Nokia devices...
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