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@vi_ : well, maybe, but i just tried to look at the case from the nokia point of view
@MaddogG :
1. And by whom? By google? Who do You think was first, before big time developers smelled the money? Why the big D's invested time? Because of the community, who started with all those little do nothing apps.
2. OF COURSE it is about money. And here is the point: Average user in lets take... february 2010 looks on apps base and sees: Android: 10k apps (just guessing, but much more than maemo anyway) Maemo: 200 apps... HMMMM what to take? Android of course. Will he boy nokia? NO. Will Nokia earn money? NO. Will Nokia earn money from the partnership with M$? Dunno, But i can GUESS, that Microsoft can encourage bigger and smaller devs to write apps. Desperate step perhaps. Time will show.
3. I didn't say i want more. I have android market on NITDroid. I have extras-devel and testing. Me, You, and few others here would like to take a risk. Average customer would not. Averages see 600 apps. And 600 is to few for averages... AND for Nokia. Sorry
@MaddogG :
1. And by whom? By google? Who do You think was first, before big time developers smelled the money? Why the big D's invested time? Because of the community, who started with all those little do nothing apps.
2. OF COURSE it is about money. And here is the point: Average user in lets take... february 2010 looks on apps base and sees: Android: 10k apps (just guessing, but much more than maemo anyway) Maemo: 200 apps... HMMMM what to take? Android of course. Will he boy nokia? NO. Will Nokia earn money? NO. Will Nokia earn money from the partnership with M$? Dunno, But i can GUESS, that Microsoft can encourage bigger and smaller devs to write apps. Desperate step perhaps. Time will show.
3. I didn't say i want more. I have android market on NITDroid. I have extras-devel and testing. Me, You, and few others here would like to take a risk. Average customer would not. Averages see 600 apps. And 600 is to few for averages... AND for Nokia. Sorry
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Originally Posted by Qrchack
Nokia gave you the best platform evere created for the mobile phone, and the decent hardware, i could risk saying - the best hardware at the time. And what You give in return?
When i bought my N900, there was about 300 applications on maemo-extras. It was June 2010 - after 6? 8? months maemo community created 300 applications... For an android i bet there are 300 diferent solitaire games.
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2011-03-10
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Ok, please don't flame me for this, but in my opinion maemo has loads of apps for just about any task, most of them great.
But many of the new maemo specific apps were not entirely up to what you'd expect from kde/gnome apps in general (not at all strange when considering the time frame they were developed in).
Although they were about as good as apps on other mobile platforms.
Performance, hastily done user interfaces, loads of missing features, and let me re-iterate; performance: A lot of the software written for maemo needs optimisation and lots of it.
I also think maemo hasn't reused enough code, a lot of reinventing the wheel going on.
And after the release, it felt like devs moved onto other things and those apps haven't been improved too much since.
I'm talking about the phone, address book, calendar, notes etc. (firefox is slow to begin with, so not much can be done about it, and we have opera anyway)
None of this is a show stopper, it's just my opinion that 3rd party apps weren't a problem, but possibly some of the 1st party ones.
But many of the new maemo specific apps were not entirely up to what you'd expect from kde/gnome apps in general (not at all strange when considering the time frame they were developed in).
Although they were about as good as apps on other mobile platforms.
Performance, hastily done user interfaces, loads of missing features, and let me re-iterate; performance: A lot of the software written for maemo needs optimisation and lots of it.
I also think maemo hasn't reused enough code, a lot of reinventing the wheel going on.
And after the release, it felt like devs moved onto other things and those apps haven't been improved too much since.
I'm talking about the phone, address book, calendar, notes etc. (firefox is slow to begin with, so not much can be done about it, and we have opera anyway)
None of this is a show stopper, it's just my opinion that 3rd party apps weren't a problem, but possibly some of the 1st party ones.
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@Qrchack
First off get your figures right (Thousands not hundreds) if you need extra fingers to count with im sure the iphone has an app for that.
Second all the Apps in the repositories are developed by all sorts of enthusiasts and expert developers/programmers. They produce some of the best apps and ports available on ANY platform. There are too many to go through but all the hard work and effort they put in is then given mostly free of charge back to the community. You can slate many things to do with the N900 but do not start on this community.
Ps I dont hate you I pitty you if you really are that narrow minded and actually believe the crap you wrote.
First off get your figures right (Thousands not hundreds) if you need extra fingers to count with im sure the iphone has an app for that.
Second all the Apps in the repositories are developed by all sorts of enthusiasts and expert developers/programmers. They produce some of the best apps and ports available on ANY platform. There are too many to go through but all the hard work and effort they put in is then given mostly free of charge back to the community. You can slate many things to do with the N900 but do not start on this community.
Ps I dont hate you I pitty you if you really are that narrow minded and actually believe the crap you wrote.
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Originally Posted by Qrchack
I hate you.
Hello Everyone.
Well, it's not Nokia fault. It's YOURS.
Now You can hate Me.
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Originally Posted by Qrchack
First:
@vi_ : well, maybe, but i just tried to look at the case from the nokia point of view
@MaddogG :
1. And by whom? By google? Who do You think was first, before big time developers smelled the money? Why the big D's invested time? Because of the community, who started with all those little do nothing apps.
2. OF COURSE it is about money. And here is the point: Average user in lets take... february 2010 looks on apps base and sees: Android: 10k apps (just guessing, but much more than maemo anyway) Maemo: 200 apps... HMMMM what to take? Android of course. Will he boy nokia? NO. Will Nokia earn money? NO. Will Nokia earn money from the partnership with M$? Dunno, But i can GUESS, that Microsoft can encourage bigger and smaller devs to write apps. Desperate step perhaps. Time will show.
3. I didn't say i want more. I have android market on NITDroid. I have extras-devel and testing. Me, You, and few others here would like to take a risk. Average customer would not. Averages see 600 apps. And 600 is to few for averages... AND for Nokia. Sorry
Companies don't wait for a new platform to be fully finished and polished to start developing for it: look at MeeGo, it's clearly NOT finished, but there are already companies working on it. Why? For sure, not because of the huge number of community-made apps: I have a WeTab and its market is ridiculous atm. Companies started working on MeeGo because there is Intel (and Nokia...until the Elop-Day) behind it, and they started when the SDK was released, they didn't wait for the community to grow. This has nothing to do with MeeGo community. The same happened with Android. Google said "I will make a new os for smartphones!" and software companies said "Google&smartphones = $$$!" and they started developing for it asap. Intel, Nokia, Google, Apple: they are all winning horses, they all mean money. This is the reason why software houses started developing for iOs, Android, MeeGo. Why Maemo failed? Because Nokia stopped supporting it. Without a big name behind a product, this product will never sell, even if it's a very good one. This is, sadly, "The Truth"!
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I don't care if Android and iOS have trillions of apps: I need only one music player, one video player, one file browser, one web browser...and I DON'T NEED A F*****G FARTING APPLICATION!
How many Android apps are really useful? How many of them are "well done"? How many of them are unique? We have less apps, this is true, but most of them are really good pieces of software and satisfy almost all our needs: this is the real important thing.
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Originally Posted by Funklord
it's just my opinion that 3rd party apps weren't a problem, but possibly some of the 1st party ones.
Originally Posted by casper27
Qrchack, you are blaming a community (probably one of the best you will ever see on the net) that is doing what Nokia should have done, asking nothing in return. You blame people who are working for you, in their spare time, for free, and you didn't nothing to make Maemo better. Do you really think that is their duty to develop applications for free? This should be Nokia's duty, not theirs.
@Qrchack
You can slate many things to do with the N900 but do not start on this community.
Two words: epic fail.
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Well... it seems You didn't understand me. I didn't write about all those apps available through app-get, extras-devel and so on, and so on.
For all of geeks here all theese are natural. I'm talking about an average user looking on www.maemo.org. Downloads for maemo: 613. 613! Amazing! after 1,5 years of development, really, really promising platform.
And chmmm, what do we see on apple app store? 600 daily (just a guess)
I don't want to say, any of n900 app is a crap. I don't want to say that n900 is a crap. I AM USING IT. AND I LOVE IT. But You, the Community must take a look not from a point of view of a geek like many of You are. But from the point of view of a guy, who barely can turn on the phone and is happy when he can download angry birds (and thinks he is a pro after doing it). This is the point of view I believe Nokia took.
So, stop showing the stats unavailable for ppl as mentioned. They won't give a f... They see 600 aps, and this is to few.
Besides, correct me if i'm wrong. How many useless eye-candy apps do we have for N900? Two? Liqflow (much better than any interactive wallpaper on android) and live-wallpaper? There are hundreds of them on and. averages don't give a f... about OO3.0 working on a phone. They want those funny little fishes running from the finger.
QUANTITY not USEFULNESS. That's what's missing.
@MaddogG Quick reply: Of course u don't need the farting app. Neither do I. But this bald men, with this ***** face, cursing every two words will love it. And he is the majority, not You, Me, or anyone on this forum.
And let me ask one think, when did Nokia stop supporting the N900? And Maemo, of course?
Last edited by Qrchack; 2011-03-10 at 20:51.
Well... it seems You didn't understand me. I didn't write about all those apps available through app-get, extras-devel and so on, and so on.
For all of geeks here all theese are natural. I'm talking about an average user looking on www.maemo.org. Downloads for maemo: 613. 613! Amazing! after 1,5 years of development, really, really promising platform.
And chmmm, what do we see on apple app store? 600 daily (just a guess)
I don't want to say, any of n900 app is a crap. I don't want to say that n900 is a crap. I AM USING IT. AND I LOVE IT. But You, the Community must take a look not from a point of view of a geek like many of You are. But from the point of view of a guy, who barely can turn on the phone and is happy when he can download angry birds (and thinks he is a pro after doing it). This is the point of view I believe Nokia took.
So, stop showing the stats unavailable for ppl as mentioned. They won't give a f... They see 600 aps, and this is to few.
Besides, correct me if i'm wrong. How many useless eye-candy apps do we have for N900? Two? Liqflow (much better than any interactive wallpaper on android) and live-wallpaper? There are hundreds of them on and. averages don't give a f... about OO3.0 working on a phone. They want those funny little fishes running from the finger.
QUANTITY not USEFULNESS. That's what's missing.
@MaddogG Quick reply: Of course u don't need the farting app. Neither do I. But this bald men, with this ***** face, cursing every two words will love it. And he is the majority, not You, Me, or anyone on this forum.
And let me ask one think, when did Nokia stop supporting the N900? And Maemo, of course?
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If quantity instead of usefulness is the secret for success, I'm happy to be a looser...
Last edited by MaddogG; 2011-03-10 at 21:00.
Originally Posted by Qrchack
Because they were already investing on Symbian, because they started working on MeeGo, because a partnership with Intel could have led to more dinero. Why they dropped MeeGo in favour of WP7? http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...okia+1+billion
And let me ask one think, when did Nokia stop supporting the N900? And Maemo, of course?
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Originally Posted by MaddogG
Although, it can be argued that a market full of many different variations of music players, video players, file browsers, web browsers and so on does foster far more competition and new ideas than a platform with far fewer or with far less interest to do so. Firefox vs Chrome vs IE vs Opera, anyone? It's always nice to have choices, too.
I don't care if Android and iOS have trillions of apps: I need only one music player, one video player, one file browser, one web browser...and I DON'T NEED A F*****G FARTING APPLICATION!
How many Android apps are really useful? How many of them are "well done"? How many of them are unique? We have less apps, this is true, but most of them are really good pieces of software and satisfy almost all our needs: this is the real important thing.
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