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Originally Posted by ericsson
Do they put a solenoid or pump inside those farting phones?
they will all make mainstream farting and games phones.
How can you get farting on n900?
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I agree somewhat with ericsson. As long as Linux fans do not understand how fragmented Linux is, and how it affects to "common" people, Linux will never make it to mainstream.
There is lots of arrogance, stubbordness and simple stupidity in many Linux authors. Many are just so detached they have lost the touch with reality and they do not even really care about the big picture enough to compromise even on things which wouldn´t matter to them practically. For example Ubuntu changing to be more LSB-compliant.
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There is lots of arrogance, stubbordness and simple stupidity in many Linux authors. Many are just so detached they have lost the touch with reality and they do not even really care about the big picture enough to compromise even on things which wouldn´t matter to them practically. For example Ubuntu changing to be more LSB-compliant.
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Originally Posted by MaddogG
I think I can answer this one, as my company is developing/manufacturing OEM embedded devices. Honestly, the last thing we would want to see is too much control from big brands. We would invest our resources on something with minimum control from big brands. We develop and OEM android tablet now, and we'd seriously consider MeeGo, and we are already quite late as there are already so many MeeGo products out there in Asia markets. MeeGo is a platform with much better potential, simply because it is under much less influence from big brands.
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Companies don't wait for a new platform to be fully finished and polished to start developing for it: look at MeeGo, it's clearly NOT finished, but there are already companies working on it. Why? For sure, not because of the huge number of community-made apps: I have a WeTab and its market is ridiculous atm. Companies started working on MeeGo because there is Intel (and Nokia...until the Elop-Day) behind it, and they started when the SDK was released, they didn't wait for the community to grow. This has nothing to do with MeeGo community. The same happened with Android. Google said "I will make a new os for smartphones!" and software companies said "Google&smartphones = $$$!" and they started developing for it asap. Intel, Nokia, Google, Apple: they are all winning horses, they all mean money. This is the reason why software houses started developing for iOs, Android, MeeGo. Why Maemo failed? Because Nokia stopped supporting it. Without a big name behind a product, this product will never sell, even if it's a very good one. This is, sadly, "The Truth"!
You are right at some points but not The Truth.
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Err, not it's not. Unless you think that diversity is bad, and that we should all think and do the exact same thing...
You are wrong. A few facts: Linux is fragmented to death.
This community is its own worst enemy.
Nokia has only recently figured out what MOST people want, and it is not GHz monsters or Communicators or geeky N9XX, and MOST people couldn't care less about Qt or Linux or any other OS related stuff. MOST people simply want an easy to use farting phone.
Originally Posted by zimon
Largely it won't affect "common" people because they don't mess with the system on that level. Of course, I take everything ericsson says with a grain of salt.
I agree somewhat with ericsson. As long as Linux fans do not understand how fragmented Linux is, and how it affects to "common" people, Linux will never make it to mainstream.
There is lots of arrogance, stubbordness and simple stupidity in many Linux authors.
Many are just so detached they have lost the touch with reality and they do not even really care about the big picture
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NOKIA cant even name phones appropriately. What kind of names are N9-00 or X1-00? Who the hell wants to buy phones with awful names
It is absolutely clear that NOKIA lost it. MICROSOFT is taking a HUGE gamble by partnering with NOKIA
It is absolutely clear that NOKIA lost it. MICROSOFT is taking a HUGE gamble by partnering with NOKIA
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Originally Posted by zimon
I agree somewhat with ericsson. As long as Linux fans do not understand how fragmented Linux is, and how it affects to "common" people, Linux will never make it to mainstream.
There is lots of arrogance, stubbordness and simple stupidity in many Linux authors. Many are just so detached they have lost the touch with reality and they do not even really care about the big picture enough to compromise even on things which wouldn´t matter to them practically. For example Ubuntu changing to be more LSB-compliant.
Originally Posted by wmarone
Man, wmarone, you beat me to it. I wanted to effectively point out the advantages to BOTH methods, really.
Err, not it's not. Unless you think that diversity is bad, and that we should all think and do the exact same thing...
Monoculture works. It just does, but it halts developments and original thinking. Diversity is there when stagnation sets in and helps get development unstuck when too many people think there's only one way to do something.
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Originally Posted by wmarone
OK so diversity is good and fragmentation is bad? I don't see the differense, only different semantics. Diversity is not bad per se, but when it makes everyone (re)inventing the core wheels over and over again, it is not good for business. Diversity in apps is good for business, diversity in core components is not, not if you want diversity in apps. Qt will theoretically solve lots of fragmentation problems, but only if Qt is not fragmented.
Err, not it's not. Unless you think that diversity is bad, and that we should all think and do the exact same thing...
Hardly, but you sure feel content to bash it with misinformation.
Which you could totally have that on pretty much any OS, but their management wasn't competent enough to see it through. Hopefully someone else will pick up from where they left off and run with it and give me what I want.
Largely it won't affect "common" people because they don't mess with the system on that level. Of course, I take everything ericsson says with a grain of salt.
Indeed, they want to do things their own way. How terrible.
Yes, they may completely not care. This isn't a problem (unless you have a hard time with people doing things differently from you.)
Linux is about making "yet another" - something that does some core functionality. Not better than the others, only different and incompatible with the others.
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Originally Posted by 9000
Ok, but Android = Big G and MeeGo = Intel (more or less). If you want to invest your "resources on something with minimum control from big brand", why don't you start with something completely community driven, like SHR or Openmoko? I think because community is not enough...it's essential, but not enough. Probably you need to have some certainties that only a "big brand" can provide. Am I wrong?
I think I can answer this one, as my company is developing/manufacturing OEM embedded devices. Honestly, the last thing we would want to see is too much control from big brands. We would invest our resources on something with minimum control from big brands. We develop and OEM android tablet now, and we'd seriously consider MeeGo, and we are already quite late as there are already so many MeeGo products out there in Asia markets. MeeGo is a platform with much better potential, simply because it is under much less influence from big brands.
You are right at some points but not The Truth.
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Funny - i agree almost with everything.
You are wrong. A few facts: Linux is fragmented to death. This community is its own worst enemy. Nokia has only recently figured out what MOST people want, and it is not GHz monsters or Communicators or geeky N9XX, and MOST people couldn't care less about Qt or Linux or any other OS related stuff. MOST people simply want an easy to use farting phone.
YOU people here on this forum should stop caring about what Nokia should do to become popular. You should stop caring about apps. You should stop caring about market shares. You should start caring about what YOU want. If what YOU want is not a pocketable Linux box with phone functionality, then why are you here? If you want apps and games, why don't you get an iPhone?
Nokia + MS is going to be the thing YOU do not want, but the thing most people want. All I hope is that Nokia will continue to be Nokia, and continue to make at least some devices that are not 100 percent mainstream. If they make one cameramonster, one communicator and one N9XX each other year, I will be satisfied. You can rest assure, no one else is going to do it, they will all make mainstream farting and games phones.
This: "You ARE wrong" on the beginning. Seems we said the same using diffrent words.
N900 could be something more than niche phone but it's not. Not because Nokia abandoned it. But because of this "doing it other way, and don't give a f... about the rest" policy. There would be nothing wrong, if there was a farting app (answering some post above: it could be made by recording noises from toilet :] )for nokia N900. Noone would try to make You use it.
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Originally Posted by wmarone
It is huge problem, as you, MaddogG and few others presented before: i bet most of your friends are far smarter then i am (no irony here, really), you don't care about averages and You don't understand them (You don't even try). You don't understand, that for many ppl even running a game on an emulator is to big trouble - because it needs two clicks, not just one. Again, again and again. when u tern your back against them You will loose. As n900 lost. as maemo did.
Yes, they may completely not care. This isn't a problem (unless you have a hard time with people doing things differently from you.)
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But If you cater for a market that everyone else ignores, you earn the big bucks.
There's no reason every product a company makes has to be headline stuff.
What If instead of releasing 50 new phones every year that are all basically the same, some of them had small dedicated teams to serve different niche markets?
The "geek" niche market definitely has other potential, it works as marketing, to raise the quality of future employees, and it brings new technology to the company.