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2009-08-06 , 22:35
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#171
Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Heh. Personally, I think Apple just zeroed in with the minimum amount of features and functions necessary to sell their target quantity and in the meanwhile they buy some time to work in their labs to 'perfect' whatever missing features that they think are crucial. Not to mention they'll be selling points for the future upgrades.

First was cut\copy\paste.... multitasking is next. I bet they're already expecting public outcry for multitasking feature (a la cut\copy\paste) due to the competitions: android & pre.

That's how you do business..
I only partially agree. I agree that Apple gained immense popularity in the iPod and iPhones because they made a simple product that appears to satisfy both form and function (it looks artsy, simply works well and simple to operate).

But the other side that people don't often think about, which is a large successfully contributing factor for Apple and a failing one for Nokia, is that Apple also remains dedicated to the customers by providing support and REACTING to feedback. Apple clearly has an ENORMOUS amount of aftermarket accessories and parts for all their products. They have walk-in stores in many cities and malls that can provide support and handle your repair needs (not just mail your expensive crap all over creation). Most importantly, people to talk to who actually know their own products--in the store, in email or wherever.
 

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#172
Here's the thing about Apple vs Nokia: the latter execs are on record as stating they intend to do business differently. Apple hones in on a very select segment with each product; Nokia stil tries to cover the rest with a very broad portfolio. Too broad IMO.

That said, I believe that Nokia could have it both ways with the right internal restructuring and focus shift.

As for kiosks/stores/etc, Nokia used to have Experience Centers here in the US. For all their faults, I am convinced (as are many US citizens) that when Nokia killed those centers that was a sure sign it was losing its commitment to this country as a market.

I would love to be proven wrong with facts.
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2009-08-06 , 23:51
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#173
Originally Posted by fms View Post
Incorrect. It is being offered at $400..$500 here, and it is still popular. No contracts.


Switching from S60e3, I did not found it awkward. Still allows one-handed operation, touch screen responsive, no major problems.
Not at all. Most of the 5800 sold here are and were heavily subsidized, same as most nokia models.
I never experienced these things. My 5800 is pretty responsive. I admit not running the Gallery app though. It may be that the Gallery simply exhausts memory trying to render too many images at once.
Maybe using the gallery 'is not an intended usage case'...
Funny, I have VMS running in a DOS window at the moment. Yes, as long as the operating system works reliably and does what I want it to do, I am happy with it. Symbian satisfies these requirements way better than a lot of other mobile solutions I have seen.
Hmmm... You sure you dont work at Nokia or the Symbian Foundation? seriously, if only getting the job done at whatever pace and with any ui is the key to success in this market for an OS, them why is Nokia losing share each and every quarter? On the other hand, even if symbian is a good os internally, does it mean that we have to admit an ui from the past? I dont get it..
Please excuse the delay in my response, i had to make it from my 5800.. and even though i could finally answer, its UI really did not help speed things up (no pun intended)
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Oh ********. Modularity is never cheaper (nor is it smaller).
Unfortunately General is right.
You can build modular notebook but not such integrated device like phone.
Connector itself will eat too much space and additional cost. On the other hand - would anyone buy n8x0 two times thicker to fit ie. GSM module with additional battery?
If one does something removable - it takes additional space and design to make it swappable.
Take Apple devices for example - they took it even further - devices are slim and small without possibility of replacing battery.
No one really wants bulky "future proof" devices.
 
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Originally Posted by fms View Post
Very difficult not to see it here. 5800 was everywhere, on billboards, on TV, on the Web, in the hands of people riding the subway and buses, etc.

Nokia is trying a similar campaign for the N97, but it is much more expensive and does not feel like it is worth the money to most people. Especially considering its maimed keyboard where Cyrillic "B" has to be entered with a SHIFT key. Cutting so many keys and removing any tactile response, then overcharging for the device was a really silly thing to do, I guess...
Well, I'm halfway between Atlanta, Charlotte, Knoxville and Charleston... pretty close to dead center between them all - all are 180 or so miles between - and I do a lot of business ranging from Orlando to Washington DC on the regular.

I have never seen anything about the 5800 advertised. In fact, I've seen more about the N97 than 5800. But I was in Chicago and New York during those times... so go figure.

As it stands, until I hit the west coast again, I might not see anything on the 5800 besides online on a few sites. It shows you a difference in locations perhaps?

Or just perception. Either way, Nokia's presence is dwindling in some key areas.
 
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Originally Posted by XTC View Post
Unfortunately General is right.
You can build modular notebook but not such integrated device like phone.
Connector itself will eat too much space and additional cost. On the other hand - would anyone buy n8x0 two times thicker to fit ie. GSM module with additional battery?
If one does something removable - it takes additional space and design to make it swappable.
Take Apple devices for example - they took it even further - devices are slim and small without possibility of replacing battery.
No one really wants bulky "future proof" devices.
Those are all assumptions, and the near future will render them moot.
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Originally Posted by XTC View Post
Unfortunately General is right.
You can build modular notebook but not such integrated device like phone.
Connector itself will eat too much space and additional cost. On the other hand - would anyone buy n8x0 two times thicker to fit ie. GSM module with additional battery?
If one does something removable - it takes additional space and design to make it swappable.
Take Apple devices for example - they took it even further - devices are slim and small without possibility of replacing battery.
No one really wants bulky "future proof" devices.
Funny how my hand-built PC, a rather modular piece since I can buy each piece separately - totally disagrees with you.

Modularity is only impossible in a lot of other (smaller) gadgets since there's a serious lack of standards. Standardizing even around a damn charger plugin took ages.

But bulky... yeah. It can be bulky indeed. But I don't think nobody wants a tank in their pockets. I don't.
 

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#178
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
I only partially agree. I agree that Apple gained immense popularity in the iPod and iPhones because they made a simple product that appears to satisfy both form and function (it looks artsy, simply works well and simple to operate).

But the other side that people don't often think about, which is a large successfully contributing factor for Apple and a failing one for Nokia, is that Apple also remains dedicated to the customers by providing support and REACTING to feedback. Apple clearly has an ENORMOUS amount of aftermarket accessories and parts for all their products. They have walk-in stores in many cities and malls that can provide support and handle your repair needs (not just mail your expensive crap all over creation). Most importantly, people to talk to who actually know their own products--in the store, in email or wherever.
That 'enormous' aftermarket 'market' that you talked about.. it's possible from the combination of huge userbase, lock in mechanism (proprietary connectors, enabler chips, etc), revenue sharing mechanism, powerful brand & marketing, etc.

Not to mention, there's a big financial incentive for them to do well in that area.
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Well, I'm halfway between Atlanta, Charlotte, Knoxville and Charleston... pretty close to dead center between them all - all are 180 or so miles between - and I do a lot of business ranging from Orlando to Washington DC on the regular.
Well, you are in the US, and I think we have all figured out by now that nothing happens in the US as far as smartphones are concerned. I am in Europe at the moment, and have been answering to someone's comment that Nokia is losing its standing in Europe. That, as my experience shows, is somewhat far from the truth

Either way, Nokia's presence is dwindling in some key areas.
They seem to explicitly disregard US as the key area now, for better or for worse. Probably concluded they can't win against iPhone and friends.
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Originally Posted by sunwong View Post
Maybe using the gallery 'is not an intended usage case'...
Quite possible, seen it before, haven't we? Or, most likely, nobody thought about testing it with a large number of images. They tested it with 3-4 images and found it working

seriously, if only getting the job done at whatever pace and with any ui is the key to success in this market for an OS, them why is Nokia losing share each and every quarter?
If I had a definite answer to this, I would be making lots of money right now. But, as things stand, there is a huge number of possible reasons to choose from, not all of them under Nokia's control, and choosing/eliminating the right ones is a million dollar question.

On the other hand, even if symbian is a good os internally, does it mean that we have to admit an ui from the past?
Well, Symbian has been known to change UIs like one changes clothing, so you can count on it to come up with a new UI sooner or later. The current S60e5 UI is pretty decent for what it is supposed to do though (i.e. make calls, let you browser through your stuff, send and receive messages, etc.). It is indeed bland and boring, but you can hardly blame it for lack of utility.

Please excuse the delay in my response, i had to make it from my 5800.. and even though i could finally answer, its UI really did not help speed things up (no pun intended)
If you are trying to access talk.maemo.org from it, the 5800 UI has nothing to do with the problems accessing that. Instead, you should blame the admin for not making pages light enough for a resource-poor mobile browsers (remember, whatever 5800 is, it is not a desktop PC with 4GB of memory and a super fast CPU). If you just mean the text input modes of 5800, its full-screen keyboard works like a charm for me, way better than prettier iPhone keyboard.

If you dislike Nokia phones and 5800 so much, maybe you can come up with a list of concrete complaints about the UI, other than "slow, ugly, boring"? The Gallery one was a legitimate complaint of course, it should not act like this. But the rest of your complaints are pretty amorphous. Do clarify what you mean, please.
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