Any idea when the update comes to US people, I mean what time?

Sorry for my poor english but I must say something about this endless discussion about Meego not official supported by Nokia :-)

I dont get why people complaining that mush about Meego not official supported on N900 :-S We should be glad that N900 atleast has SOME support! Cause I am sure Nokia doesnt do that mush money on this phone. The fact is this phone is for linuxgeeks. It already IS the best geekphone so far :-) Android has not a chance if you prefer openess, and not a broken Linux as in the Android case.

Imho, I dont care at all if Meego will be officially released. I love maemo OS :-) There is no big difference between Maemo and Meego both are Linux only different "dists".

* Mostly the same UI toolkit (QT/Gtk)
* Linux kernel and probadly most of the backend librarys like DBUS and so on is probadly the same. Except Maemo version of linux is optimized for ARM.
* The OSS community will for sure release a version for N900 cause thats how the OSS works...

Difference:

I think (but not sure) that the linux kernel for meego is heavy optimized for the new embedded Intel CPU:s atm. and that maybe a reason why Meego will not be official supported on N900 cause it is ARM based. And again it costs alot of money to support it by Nokia. Ofcourse Apple can support phones that is old but there is a BIG difference why they can support it:

* They for sure make more money on every sold Iphone. The volume is alot bigger than in the N900 case. The HW on Iphone is not that good that makes even more income for Apple.
* Theyr making money on appstore.

* In the case of N900 most of development is OpenSource. And yes I no another reason is Ovistore still sucks to and I dont know i nokia make money on it?

Another reason could be: Maybe Nokia has already decided to only make tabletbased Meego products in the future and dropped the plans for more Meego based "smartcomputers with integrated phone" and instead continue on Symbian on that segment (which ofcourse is bad but still bussiness is bussines :-( For this reason they want to use as much code as possible for future devices. I they alkreadyu has decided to drop ARM on more advanced computerproducts there is no reason for them to make "useless code" based on old arm arch.

Another reason to drop geekphones is the operators dont like phones that is "hackerfriendly" like N900 soo that could be one of the reason we will never see a fully supported Open Source based smartphone like N900 in the future :-( (I really hope I am wrong!!!

And dont forget the fact, that many people here complains like childs and dont have a clue how bussines works. Infact all this complains also may scare away Nokia employers working with the OSS community and thats more sad than if wee will se bloated crap flash 10.1 or similar on N900.

Ofcourse we should complain but still we should do it in a good way :-)

One thing for sure Nokia should support on N900 is a good OviMaps! (I dont know why this is a problem isnt OviMaps written in QT? would be that hard to backport from symbian phones :-S

I think the bitterness of some of the posters in this thread should be equally listened to as much as the happy owners.

The fact that this sounds like the prior iterations which lead to spotty community support - Mer? Despite knowing why, it never happened - or just plain lack of developments and for such an "open source" project, there's enough closed bits that will be either never be opened (BME) or will remain closed enough to cause problems for future support is also sounding like prior iterations.

To sit back and say "Nokia never said MeeGo will be on the N900" actually justifies this type of treatment and Nokia will do it again and again until it stops.

770, N800, N810, now N900. When will it stop with the dead ends and the excuses?

When the Euro market starts replacing their old symbian phones with iPhones and Android phones.

Sad day. I was on the #maemo freenode IRC channel earlier today and people were being banned and kicked out for speaking their mind on this topic and being upset (rightly so) at Nokia. Others were being ridiculed and laughed at by the so called "senior" members of the community.

I thought this was an open community that nurtured a debate? What a joke, next they'll start deleting threads on here.

Oh oh, you mean the wonderful commentary by N900killa who decided to roll up and just pointlessly bash Nokia and everyone in the channel who was actually trying to do something? He wasn't so much as voicing his opinion as blathering with two braincells and taking his frustrations out on random people.

You've gotta work -real- hard to get kicked from there I've found.

Yeah I can't see why such a useless tool was removed.

I could look logs but let´s just ask that why they were upset? Was it that Nokia Conversations told what has been known for last 3-4 months (wiki here, threads about, nokia employees blogs)?

How does this differ from most phone OSs? WinMo has been doing it for years. Android has similar issues, where owners are at the mercy of the manufacturers if they are going to get updates.

Now, I bought my N900 with the full understanding that Harmanhattan/Meego might not come for it. I was fine with that, since the OS runs fine for me for the most part. As long as most major bugs are taken care of, I'm not too worried about my device. As you continue to use your N810, I expect I will continue to use my N900 for a while, particularly if capacitive screens are the future.

Having support for QT 4.6 is bigger for me, since at least we will have a common framework to develop applications between OSs and making the effort for releases more trivial for these OSs. It isn't any guarantee that applications will come, but it does make it more likely, especially from the community level.

If Meego does come, I'll be happy. If it doesn't come, it is likely I'll still be happy, since I'm mostly happy with the phone as it stands now.

Posts have already been removed supposedly already. I haven't seen it, but it's been oft stated by some of the more... "angry" type of poster here.

As far as speech goes, it's always been rather free around here. Just don't lash out in some curse-laden tirade that looks more like a tantrum than opinion and all should be fine.

Regardless. I think this settles that I'll continue to enjoy the new revival on my N810, thank my stars I avoided the N900 - lack of want to switch to T-Mobile was the biggest problem for me honestly - and see what happens around this.

I hope MeeGo will not become the next Mer, Mer^2 or NITDroid (read: never completed) and that something comes out of this more than nothing.

Anger... oh, I get it. Part of me wants to just say "What did you expect from Nokia?" - they never answered a damn thing directly about it, thus leading me to think everybody was out to get a step 4 out of 5 product that won't get support past the current iteration of software.

I bet PR1.3 will be the last major revision, then that's it.

isn't NITDroid still a WIP