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2010-06-13
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Originally Posted by acou
I actually didn't realize it until this thread. It's in really small font in grey on my setup, not something obvious... I'm thinking about over-riding small-grey-font to med-red-font in the browser some how, since this is not the first time I've been bitten by this.
I think Tex is a nice guy, but i would have gotten this impression too if he wasn't moderating.
Originally Posted by geneven
I think this is part of the problem here as well. Lots of people haven't been paying attention for years, because they haven't been here for years. Lots of people (like me) just showed up "recently", and didn't read the 500,000 posts dating back into the 90s, nor should anyone really be expected to.
Maybe because, like Texrat, he is one of the heroes of this site. Whoever doesn't understand that about either of them hasn't been paying attention over the years.
True story (From my point of view): A few months ago I wound up in a verbal sparing match with someone here. This person had very little positive to say about the N900, commented that he didn't have one, and was unlikely to get one. He also said a few things that (IMO) were out of date and/or misleading about the N900. (Like it lacked MMS support when there was clearly a community app to handle it.) The posts I saw from this user (for about 2 weeks) were plentiful and almost all negative. Based on that, I mistakenly pegged him as a troll, and started treating him like one. That person was Gerbick, who is a long term community member.
The problem here was multi-faceted. I was somewhat new, and hadn't noticed the post/thank counters (also in small grey font). I also have a penchant for jumping into things full bore, and probably mistook some of what was legitimate disappointment in the N900 line to be hostility toward the platform and community. But another factor (again IMO) was that he expected (and in one post demanded) that people respect his opinion and not challenge it in the forum with points that countered it, especially if one was a "noob". (The phrase STFU was used...
) Also there was a general attitude of "I know better because I've been here longer", that wasn't exactly welcoming.We settled our "differences" without it getting too terribly ugly (neither of us were moderated or caused a thread closure). And of late have actually started to notice that in many cases we align in some respects (this topic being a prime example).
The point I'm trying to get to... (sorry, it's late) boils down to this:
This forum is not what it was a year ago (or even 5 months ago). The N900 has been a game changer in many respects, probably more than was expected. The N900 members now probably outnumber the older members by a rather high ratio (I smell a poll wanting to be taken). But the forum as a whole has not adapted to support the influx of new people. Part of the frustration happening here is because the solution the community has used for the past several years has not scaled well. That needs to be acknowledged and address, and I think that's being addressed here/now.
Not feeding trolls works on small forums with low activity, or where it's clear that the forum is not affiliated with the manufacturer. This forum no longer qualifies for either condition. The rules have changed, like it or not. The question isn't should we adjust, it's how do we adjust. And yes, I also vote +1 for a separate area to move such threads or sub-segments to, in a hope to quell the signal/noise level.
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2010-06-13
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What this community needs is a complete overhaul of pointless threads and delete the lot !.
Moderating is becoming a nightmare dealing with the complaints, troll's - whiners etc etc and we can only put the blame to Nokia for releasing in the way they did along with all the media the so called FLAGSHIP N900 which has turned out to be a downfall in many respects for Nokia and this being the true Meamo N900 forum that is splattered all over every search engine bringing everyone to it !.
OK we all know the N900 has it's pitfalls BUT please consider at least that this very forum is the saviour of the device as it has got many developers working hard to rectify the shortfalls from Nokia.
Everyone now knows the shortfalls and if you get rid of the senceless threads you will end up with the answers to almost every problem the N900 has thanks to the members of this forum.
After owning the N900 since early february and after literally stripping it down looking at schematics and the actuall hardware i can tell you one thing here that the device has endless limits to play and modify and i know in my own mind that all the current missing features can be implemented along with the only real fault the USB port having a very simple fix to make it solid on the pcb.
For all the pitfalls of the N900 if everyone just wait's a few month you will see a device that can do almost anything that a pc is capable of and as a phone has the capabilities of anything on the market for a very long time to come.
My opinion for what it is worth is to close and delete any thread that even hints of arguments and agression immediatly it appears leaving the forum for what it should be used for ....PROGRESSION.
Little do you lot realise that the N900 will actually turn out to be a FLAGSHIP simply because it has endless capabilities and all everyone needs here is a little bit of time for people with the knowledge to do what Nokia should be doing and are doing for free !!! remember that before criticizing !!!.
Reggie please look at the possibility of deleting every single useless thread so that we can search a lot easier through here and find the answers we need for the device we have... time to have a clearout.
Moderating is becoming a nightmare dealing with the complaints, troll's - whiners etc etc and we can only put the blame to Nokia for releasing in the way they did along with all the media the so called FLAGSHIP N900 which has turned out to be a downfall in many respects for Nokia and this being the true Meamo N900 forum that is splattered all over every search engine bringing everyone to it !.
OK we all know the N900 has it's pitfalls BUT please consider at least that this very forum is the saviour of the device as it has got many developers working hard to rectify the shortfalls from Nokia.
Everyone now knows the shortfalls and if you get rid of the senceless threads you will end up with the answers to almost every problem the N900 has thanks to the members of this forum.
After owning the N900 since early february and after literally stripping it down looking at schematics and the actuall hardware i can tell you one thing here that the device has endless limits to play and modify and i know in my own mind that all the current missing features can be implemented along with the only real fault the USB port having a very simple fix to make it solid on the pcb.
For all the pitfalls of the N900 if everyone just wait's a few month you will see a device that can do almost anything that a pc is capable of and as a phone has the capabilities of anything on the market for a very long time to come.
My opinion for what it is worth is to close and delete any thread that even hints of arguments and agression immediatly it appears leaving the forum for what it should be used for ....PROGRESSION.
Little do you lot realise that the N900 will actually turn out to be a FLAGSHIP simply because it has endless capabilities and all everyone needs here is a little bit of time for people with the knowledge to do what Nokia should be doing and are doing for free !!! remember that before criticizing !!!.
Reggie please look at the possibility of deleting every single useless thread so that we can search a lot easier through here and find the answers we need for the device we have... time to have a clearout.
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2010-06-13
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
Please dude. It's comments like these that attract the hate. You can't even tell me definitively when, or if, flash 10.1 comes. So enough with the sunshine up the skirt bit.
For all the pitfalls of the N900 if everyone just wait's a few month you will see a device that can do almost anything that a pc is capable of and as a phone has the capabilities of anything on the market for a very long time to come.
Originally Posted by abill_uk
This.
knowledge to do what Nokia should be doing and are doing for free !!!
Originally Posted by h3llraz0r
This should be posted on the first page, be done with it, and move on. Just paste this so that everyone either starts helping bail water, or ditch.
I believe that the N900 is a sinking ship and those who decide to stay will eventually (soon) own an outdated brick. Most developers want money, recognition, competition and a true market. The N900 cannot offer that because Nokia gave up on it the moment MeeGo came into the picture. Maemo.org should create a respectable N900 talk/opinion section to thank Nokia for everything it has done to the N900 and its clients.
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2010-06-13
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My 2 cents. I come here to get/share information. I don't come here to hear people complaining over and over about the same issues. I don't mind useless threads being closed because they are not important. Now when a moderator closes a useful thread, that's the appropriate time to cry about moderator abuse. hellrazor managed to get on my ignore list before threads started closing, I wouldn't shed a tear for that asshat.
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2010-06-13
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Originally Posted by Sarcastic_Twit
Patience is a virtue !.
Please dude. It's comments like these that attract the hate. You can't even tell me definitively when, or if, flash 10.1 comes. So enough with the sunshine up the skirt bit.
This.
This should be posted on the first page, be done with it, and move on. Just paste this so that everyone either starts helping bail water, or ditch.
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2010-06-13
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
Thanks, penguinbait.
Fighting is normal, being upset is normal. Closing threads just reignites the fire and without question, a new more ignorant thread will open.
I must admit that I liked it better when only Reggie would close threads that would get out of hand. It only ever took a PM to Reggie to say hey this is getting out of hand. However it seems now that threads seem to get closed constantly, or maybe its just the ones I am reading and wanting to respond to.
Additionally I VERY much disagree with making final statements, then saying closed.
I have been a screamer at Nokia in the past and I went on to be a council member.
Some people around here need to separate themselves from there feelings and let others have their rants. Why has this changed? Is it because Nokia has a perceived ownership, is it moderator madness? WTF??
There has to be a better way to deal with asshats who open complaining threads.
I personally would rather create a new section, called asshats and move all the potentially trolling threads to it. Then have them not show up under active topics, or on internettablettalk.com homepage (Am I the only one who still uses it as this entrance?)
Anyway, I personally think that very few things should cause a thread to close or a person to be booted. Slurs against race/religion/sex/sexual preference.
I hate Nokia or I love the Iphone IS NOT A VALID REASON. Saying Nokia screwed me and **** on me and ate my first born, just doesn't cut it for me.
This is all just my opinion, however I believe some of what goes on here is perpetuated by the people who are vigilantly trying to stop it.
There has to be a better way......
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[QUOTE=abill_uk;712986]
I dont know what have you done, but it is good to see somebody is out of jail, welcome back, abill_uk.
bun
I dont know what have you done, but it is good to see somebody is out of jail, welcome back, abill_uk.
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2010-06-13
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Personally, I don't mind all the dissappointed users rantings on the forum, I see those threads and don't even look at them. The only issue, personally, that I have is that they overwhelm all the recent activity that I'm actually interested in. I'm sure everyday I miss important interesting announcements and such, can we not just make a tag that we can use for threads that don't have any kind of valid information for our devices and community. I think all off-topic could probably be removed from the general recent activity too.
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If someone sees the error of their ways, and I realize I may have misunderstood their behavior, I think apologizing is the proper thing to do. That doesn't translate to "trolls having the run of the place." If h3llraz0r had never posted what he did above, my opinion would have remained unchanged.
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