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If it's all the same to you, can I just blame Nokia for that anyway? 
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2010-07-30
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
In an ideal world and from a Developer's perspective I kind of agree with the above post but from a commercial perspective I think it is reta5ded.
Forking everything to lock APIs at a given level discards the advantages of rapid, open development happening upstream. Maemo has wandered partially down that path several times already--with GTK, with being "Debian-based", etc.--and the going has always grown rapidly tougher as distance from the beaten path increased. As nice as it is to let users keep old applications from vendors long gone, binary compatibility leads to nightmares like Haiku's hybrid gcc2/gcc4 system.
Third-party software companies want to see stability and long-term commitment from an OS.
Why develop software for an environment that is going to change every couple of years and will mean rewriting/modifying your software?
It's an added expense of developing your software.
For years older versions of MacOS had backwards compatible software.
Same thing with Windows (ok maybe bad example!)
Windows mobile at 6.5 and older could run software for previous versions of the OS.
Palm OS 5 could run software for previous versions too.
Symbian has backwards compatibility also.
iPhone is also backwards compatible.
All these systems have a healthy catalogue of applications and is why there were/are so successfull.
Nokia should realise this with the Symbian platform.
Maemo and MeeGo (on handsets) will continue to be a minority, in the long run suffer from lack of apps and lack of interest from third-party developers.
As a user I would have to buy a new version of the software everytime a new OS was released. Who in their right mind will buy commercial software for their device knowing it will probably mean it will stop working after upgrading to a new device?
The n900 is a great device and no other manufacturer can offer anything as good as it because of it's flexibility of the OS.
But Nokia have decided to start all over again!
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Originally Posted by kenga
I'm not sure what you're talking about, or maybe you just don't get it. I'm a Nokia customer and things are evolving just fine for me. Is Nokia perfect? Not even close, but they've got the best road map for me. You, on the other hand, might have taken a wrong turn somewhere.
It's evolution for Nokia, not for customer.
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2010-07-30
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Originally Posted by daperl
I'm playing devil's advocate here... do you think all is well in regards to Nokia's relationship with their customers?
I'm not sure what you're talking about, or maybe you just don't get it. I'm a Nokia customer and things are evolving just fine for me. Is Nokia perfect? Not even close, but they've got the best road map for me. You, on the other hand, might have taken a wrong turn somewhere.
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2010-07-30
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Originally Posted by johnel
Sorry, but the continued improvement of iOS isn't comparable to the transition of Maemo to an every-person's phone OS. But please don't get me wrong, I can list more Nokia mistakes than you can. That's not the point though. Only one thing matters to me: What direction they're going. For handheld hardware coupled with an OS, Nokia's the only one I see going my way. But I can also see myself buying products from other companys that align themselves with the likes of a MeeGo or a Ubuntu.
If a platform is to be successful it need stability and some form of backward compatibility.
Apple understand this, microsoft understand this and as a result enjoy a healthy collection of applications.
If this was evolution then maemo would have remained and Nokia would have kept improving it. But Nokia haven't done this and have now reset their progress to the beginning.
I like the idea of MeeGo; it's closer to what Maemo should have been in the first place. Rome wasn't built in a day, in was built in step 5 and there were many casualties.
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2010-07-30
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From the Nokia sales website in big letters:
http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...#/main/landing
Last edited by imperiallight; 2010-07-30 at 02:03.
The Nokia N900 Mobile Phone
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Simply? No. You know I read these forums. But I also read every comment from Symbian Guru's farewell post. Whoa, Nokia seems to have their work cut out for them. Maybe it'll put some hair on their chest. But call me what ever you want. I like Nokia, warts and all.
I'm playing devil's advocate here... do you think all is well in regards to Nokia's relationship with their customers?
Like some, I don't expect the exact same things from the companys I buy from. Even though I can impulse buy with the best of 'em, I generally try to know what I'm getting into. Sh*t, I bought the n900 through the DDP and I knew full well they weren't giving me a warranty. I'd be lying if I said it didn't take me a few weeks to make that decision, but the price and product were right. I'm very, very happy with the n900, and it gets better every day.
I'm also an Apple customer; I might actually pull the trigger on a new Mac Mini when I'm done writing this. And like my other Apple products, I'll expect it to just work. If it doesn't, I'll walk it across the street. Literally.
Nokia isn't Apple. Thank God.
Apple isn't Nokia. Thank God.
Not sure, but I hope I answered your question.
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2010-07-30
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Evolution doesn't mean what some people in this thread thinks it means.
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2010-07-30
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Originally Posted by daperl
The N900 was available in November/December of 2009, but some didn't get it before well into 2010. In spring 2010 (mars/april?) it was announced that Maemo will be discontinued, MeeGo will be the next. MeeGo will not be supported on the N900 by Nokia, and by late June 2010 the first MeeGo (with UI) was available (development of Maemo stopped). MeeGo is incompatible with Maemo, and the N900 is hardly compatible with MeeGo due to multi-touch and different screen.
Sorry, but the continued improvement of iOS isn't comparable to the transition of Maemo to an every-person's phone OS. But please don't get me wrong, I can list more Nokia mistakes than you can. That's not the point though. Only one thing matters to me: What direction they're going. For handheld hardware coupled with an OS, Nokia's the only one I see going my way. But I can also see myself buying products from other companys that align themselves with the likes of a MeeGo or a Ubuntu.
When things evolve they generally become incompatible with the previous species.
This is not evolution. Maemo has not evolved, it has been killed. The N900 has not evolved, it will (presumably) be replaced with something else, something very different, and the "N900 lineage" is killed.
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2010-07-30
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I would if the device is a capacitive Meego with 1.2Ghz or dual core A9 cpu + gpu and atleast 756MB RAM (not swap), and 12MP camera + optical zoom, xeon flash and 32GB memory 
Oh must have keyboard and slim. Front facing camera have to be 2MP, Wireless N support, HDMi, usb OTG good battery life, atleast 3.5" LCD. 1080p play back and capture
Then I will buy it on the release date!!
Oh must have keyboard and slim. Front facing camera have to be 2MP, Wireless N support, HDMi, usb OTG good battery life, atleast 3.5" LCD. 1080p play back and capture
Then I will buy it on the release date!!
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