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There are many pages to that thread and yes i did start to read it some time back and will read the rest but when will we get an official explanation as to what happens? and where will that explanation be? Thankyou in advance.
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2011-07-22
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
Sorry, but you've run in so many directions:
There are many pages to that thread and yes i did start to read it some time back and will read the rest but when will we get an official explanation as to what happens? and where will that explanation be?
- About which "happening" specifically are you asking right now?
- Who would you consider official enough to provide your desired, definitive answer?
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2011-07-22
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
Maemo.org of course
Sorry, but you've run in so many directions:
- About which "happening" specifically are you asking right now?
- Who would you consider official enough to provide your desired, definitive answer?
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2011-07-22
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
i agree with your impression that Maemo was flawed from the beginning, but i don't think it was sabotage on NOKIA's part.
There was something wrong in the creation of Maemo.org right from the beggining and i will try to explain why i say this,
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Now we are at the gate of closure and all because the wrong people dealt with the opening of Maemo.org in my opinion because not one was obviously a software or hardware engineer who could visulise what would happen because of closed components.
It is therefore my opinion Nokia never supported Maemo.org at all but in fact made sure it would bring huge problems for Maemo.
i remember reading an article a few weeks ago explaining the evolution of NOKIA & NOKIA's management; one of the key moment (the beginning of the end, so to speak) was about ten yrs ago when the company turned from "technology oriented" with engineers crawling all over the place to a... PROFITABLE company where a lawyer or MBA could become manager.
i think Maemo's failure is plain dumb incompetency due, like you point out to lack of technological understanding
Now i would love to know from the council just what will happen to Maemo.org, is it to stay open ? is it to change name or is it to be shut down?.
if the Maemo community keeps supporting the Maemo customers, maybe NOKIA will keep financing it?
is there right now a need to change the name?
Maemo is not going to get any new devices (running on real Maemo code), but maybe it is possible to ease the transition by porting as many apps to MeeGo / Harmatan and maybe some new stuff back?
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2011-07-22
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
This thread was created to discuss the future of maemo.org and possibly decide on actions that should be taken to prepare for the chosen path. Unfortunately, your rants regarding Maemo source code and other peripheral matters have repeatedly derailed discussion.
Maemo.org of course.
As for officialness, we're a community. Nokia won't be providing us with an official direction. They currently provide money. Inevitably though, that money will stop flowing. That's about the limit of their involvement in this discussion.
The maemo.org Community Council is a representative and coordinating body, not a governing one. They'll have an official answer to provide once the greater community determines that answer.
At times such as this, open source communities shift even more toward meritocracies. Our decisions for the future are bounded by resource limitations. Money is certainly key, but skill and time investment are at least as critical. Should we find funding for a repository server, but lose everyone with knowledge of, and willingness to work with, the autobuilder and other related key tools, that limits our choices.
So, in the end, everyone in the community is welcome to have his or her say in the matter. However, those who back proposals not just with votes, but also commitments to, and proven track records of, helping with the actual work, will have greater influence than those who simply talk.
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Originally Posted by misterc
AHA ok please do forgive my misunderstanding here as i thought Maemo.org would either be shut down or re-named, if it is the case it carries on then ok so be it but that means we still have all the troubles on the threads we have now?.
i agree with your impression that Maemo was flawed from the beginning, but i don't think it was sabotage on NOKIA's part.
i remember reading an article a few weeks ago explaining the evolution of NOKIA & NOKIA's management; one of the key moment (the beginning of the end, so to speak) was about ten yrs ago when the company turned from "technology oriented" with engineers crawling all over the place to a... PROFITABLE company where a lawyer or MBA could become manager.
i think Maemo's failure is plain dumb incompetency due, like you point out to lack of technological understanding
already reflected about that...
if the Maemo community keeps supporting the Maemo customers, maybe NOKIA will keep financing it?
is there right now a need to change the name?
Maemo is not going to get any new devices (running on real Maemo code), but maybe it is possible to ease the transition by porting as many apps to MeeGo / Harmatan and maybe some new stuff back?
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
apologises accepted
AHA ok please do forgive my misunderstanding here as i thought Maemo.org would either be shut down or re-named, if it is the case it carries on then ok so be it but that means we still have all the troubles on the threads we have now?.
it was nice throwing around ideas for the last few hours with you, but you know what?
i think they don't merit (that much) of our talk time
i can't help feeling they'd rather stumble around in the dark then get even only a candle.
as the song goes
at night the candle's brighter than the sun
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Originally Posted by misterc
How could a device that was limited via community accepted microeconomics be considered a failure?
maybe MeeGo was NOKIA's conclusion that Maemo was a business failure?
I'd be more willing to state that the intended handoff of the assets from Nokia to the community and the communication of how it was going to happen has been the failure.
The devices are basically dead. Nokia sold them, no longer supports them, no longer builds them (all but the N9 that is). It's now a fight over the software, OS, the closed bits (losing battle there) and how this community would be able to update, continue support that's in question now.
And it's not looking too well.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Then the answer is clear ... get Maemo released to this community then it can really come into the limelight and show the world what can be done with Maemo.
How could a device that was limited via community accepted microeconomics be considered a failure?
I'd be more willing to state that the intended handoff of the assets from Nokia to the community and the communication of how it was going to happen has been the failure.
The devices are basically dead. Nokia sold them, no longer supports them, no longer builds them (all but the N9 that is). It's now a fight over the software, OS, the closed bits (losing battle there) and how this community would be able to update, continue support that's in question now.
And it's not looking too well.
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