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lma	2012-07-14 , 00:14
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Originally Posted by bergie

As far as I understood, these percentages were not for units sold in Q2, but for the total market. So the webOS share shows how many of them are still in use...

Ah, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by volt

HP phones, they still exist?

I had a HP phone, running Windows Mobile 6. It received 0 firmware upgrades from Windows/HP, it was more like an old Ipaq than a phone in usage, and it had very limited OS tools.

I was referring to the more recent ones running webOS, which incidentally still received firmware updates long after they were declared dead by Apotheker, and might also get community updates via the recently freed bits. The comparison with Nokia/Elop is very interesting and telling.

	Texrat	2012-07-14 , 04:41
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Originally Posted by specc

I think the reason you feel that way is because you don't really believe WP8 will make it in a market over saturated with iOS and Android. That, and the hopes you have for Jolla.

I actually think WP8 can be successful, and as for Jolla, I'm realistic and have low expectations. Let's call it more interest/desire for Jolla.

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mikecomputing	2012-07-14 , 23:23
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good article here about nokia:

http://mobilesoftware.tumblr.com/pos...ownward-spiral

Last edited by mikecomputing; 2012-07-15 at 10:32.

mikecomputing	2012-07-14 , 23:31
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Originally Posted by Texrat

I actually think WP8 can be successful, and as for Jolla, I'm realistic and have low expectations. Let's call it more interest/desire for Jolla.

one device from jolla and it will probadly sell well in finland but thats it is my guess. But I doubt nokia ever come back as mobile company. Atleast jolla trying in case of Nokia is just has gone totally ridicilous so I have totally given up on them...

gerbick	2012-07-14 , 23:49
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

one device from jolla and it will probadly sell well in finland but thats it is my guess. But I doubt nokia ever come back as mobile company. Atleast jolla trying in case of Nokia is just has gone totally ridicilous so I have totally given up on them...

I have to disagree here mainly because Nokia is still a mobile company, they're just no longer an open source friendly company standing behind Harmattan and MeeGo whereas Jolla is.

Their prototype device has been shown to a few folks, but their device and their OS enhancements need to be something new. And let's face it, Harmattan and the N9's body was very new, fresh but watered down by the Lumia 800/900.

Jolla has a lot to live up to. Nokia has lost their way. I doubt that any Jolla device will sell well unless other key missing components are in place - content, distribution and a good price point.

Let's hope all of the above comes together.

Kein	2012-07-15 , 06:13
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I think WP8 will be released in 2013 and it won't come in time to save Nokia. Has Microsoft even shown a running preview? It takes at least 6 months after a preview is shown for an os to be released and this is being very optimistic. At the WP convention MS could only talk about broad concepts which shows that the WP8 is nowhere near ready. Yet MS saw it fit to throw Nokia under the bus by lying that WP8 will be out in fall.

So Nokia will have nothing much to sell in Q3 and Q4. When WP8 is finally released they will still need time to release a WP8 phone. The company isn't in the best of health now with development teams gutted. Other manufacturers like Samsung, HTC and Huawei will beat Nokia to the punch months ahead. So even if WP8 is successful Nokia won't be riding on it.

But knowing MS, WP8 is likely to be buggy, incomplete and missing key features because they have no time to add it in. By then it will be competing with iphone 5, Android 5, BB10, Tizen and maybe Jolla. Consumers prefer something new rather than an os which is just playing catch-up with old versions of ios and Android. And this is the biggest reason why WP8 won't succeed; there is nothing new or innovative about it at all.

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mikecomputing	2012-07-15 , 10:38
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what are you talk about? Elop has said Meego was not ready thats why nokia did go WP because that is a ready OS? Dont you trust Elop?

mikecomputing	2012-07-15 , 10:50
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I have to disagree here mainly because Nokia is still a mobile company, they're just no longer an open source friendly company standing behind Harmattan and MeeGo whereas Jolla is.

Their prototype device has been shown to a few folks, but their device and their OS enhancements need to be something new. And let's face it, Harmattan and the N9's body was very new, fresh but watered down by the Lumia 800/900.

Jolla has a lot to live up to. Nokia has lost their way. I doubt that any Jolla device will sell well unless other key missing components are in place - content, distribution and a good price point.

Let's hope all of the above comes together.

yeah there is lots of stuff on n9 that we take for granted that we will see on jollas. For example haptic feedback when writing on keyboard. Decent camera. Slim device. Cool UI. Thats why i beleive we only will see one device from jolla bought by entusiasts and probadly alot finns who is angry about how the new nokiaboard had killed an european company.

in case of nokia I didnt mean they will dissapeae but I think they will be very small player on global market. Maybe only europen countrys...

Kein	2012-07-15 , 11:47
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing

in case of nokia I didnt mean they will dissapeae but I think they will be very small player on global market. Maybe only europen countrys...

It's very hard to be a small player in the smartphone industry. Either Nokia succeeds with WP8 or dies. There is no place for small players here. Even the Jolla CEO admits this.