Originally Posted by Lumiaman

I am not sure what your point is. Mine is that Nokia has become more competitive. Not so pre-Elop. N8 and N9 were abominations as compared to competition at the time. The current Lumias are at level playing field now. But unfortunately competition is fierce.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

NOKIA has delivered with hardware, MS is still short on software.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

and the last three were going nowhere. There were only two choices, WP or Android. They went WP for many reasons discussed here. Remember: only TWO choices. Symbian in N8 was a disaster and N9 was a nightmare. He rightly chose not to pursue dead OSs

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

but they were diluting themselves already with too may Symbian variants, than Maemo than Meego....

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Remember: only TWO choices.

Originally Posted by Artyom

you persistently try to explain things on your own side which doesn't reflect the truth. same repeated "delusional" reasons made me puke.
that maybe true for the US but for the world, numbers said the exact opposite. they could either continue developing symbian or they could switch to meego which was really exiting the symbian users.
oh wait! how can you know that? you've never been in a symbian community! you've probably never even seen someone using a symbian device isn't that true now mr. elop?


so we are talking about operating systems?

like so many variant's that android has?

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

Anybody with more than half a brain knew back in February 2011 Windows phone was not a valid choice, the catastrophic collapse NOKIA have suffered as a result of exclusively adopting it was always by far the most likely outcome.

NOKIA had plenty more than two choices, as Samsung has proven, but Elop chose the one path that didn't make any sense whatsoever. The only party that had anything to gain from Elop's strategy was Microsoft.

Do you know what duck typing is, Lumiaman? It's a good rule of thumb for real life too - if something waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's most probably a duck. When Elop waddled into NOKIA and started quacking about Windows Phone I instantly knew his plan (including misappropriating NOKIA's patents to benefit Microsoft) and the inevitable outcome for NOKIA too.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

What did Samsung prove? That pre-ELOP NOKIA should have jumped sooner of the Symbian titanic. By the time Elop got there, Android has signed up many device manufacturers and Finns felt they didnt want to be another ME, ME, ME kind of company. Samsung jumped first and is benefitting now. Kudos to them. What else are they doing? Tizen-what a joke. And you know what genius, that is why you will never run anything. Because you dont understand the importance of timing, primacy and being on the cutting edge.

What Elop immediately understood is the following: NOKIA is not a software company, in the sense that they CAN NOT compete with Silicon Valley. And that immediately eliminated Symbian, Meego and all the other lunacies from the table. So you are left with already crowded Android field, or try something new and nascent. Hence WP. Using my Lumia 920 and 620. Great phones!!!

Originally Posted by Dared

Not a software company? Nokia was bigger than Samsung and Apple combined when Elop took over - and he was growing unit sales and revenues with Symbian

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

The hardware is now excellent so why doesn't it sell? You already know the answer:



That's right, Lumiaman, MS are a dead weight dragging NOKIA down. Everything that's good about the Lumias from the hardware to the software (Maps, City Lens, Drive+, etc...) is entirely down to NOKIA. Microsoft's contribution, Windows Phone, is an appalling liability that NOKIA is struggling to overcome.

What would Windows Phone's market share be now if it weren't able to ride on the coat tails of NOKIA's excellent hardware/software? So small the needle wouldn't twitch.