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2013-08-26
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
you probably didn't. just bought a crappy 5800 and whine about how symbian is so bad and so ugly and how it should be replaced. on the other hand i've been using symbian handsets since the 7650 days.
I probably bought more Symbian devices than all of you combined on this thread. It served its purpose and by 2009, it was clear to everyone that it had to gooooooooooo...........Only Tomi Ahonen and his delusional followers still believe that it was viable. What saved NOKIA, as opposed to BB, is that they reacted a bit faster to become third player. BB reacted too slow and hanged on its improved, but dead platform. Because you cant live with just an OS, without all the ancillary ecosystem.
so all the numbers are lying is this what you're trying to tell here? nokia was a huge company back in 2010, you came in and simply destroyed the company for the sake of microsoft and windows phone mr. elop.
i don't follow tomi ahonen, in fact i already knew back in 2011 that symbian was a very viable choice as a mid range smartphone os. it could crush android at that area. nokia 603 was a great example for that. but instead of making capable symbian devices mr elop chose to make uncapable dumbphone devices. and now we are seeing the results.
if you are an extreme optimist yeah being a third player with ~3% is a good thing.
Originally Posted by Lumiaman
The biggest mistake that nokia did. Buying symbian. now people like you come here and badger about how other companies adopted android and how they benefitted.
What did Samsung prove? That pre-ELOP NOKIA should have jumped sooner of the Symbian titanic. By the time Elop got there, Android has signed up many device manufacturers and Finns felt they didnt want to be another ME, ME, ME kind of company. Samsung jumped first and is benefitting now. Kudos to them. What else are they doing? Tizen-what a joke.
If tizen successes i will remind you those words.
Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Yes they can compete. They showed it by dominating the phone world for years. With symbian. If you can't see the fact go jump off a bridge. Some guy stealing their technology and making a touchscreen device will not change that fact.
What Elop immediately understood is the following: NOKIA is not a software company, in the sense that they CAN NOT compete with Silicon Valley. And that immediately eliminated Symbian, Meego and all the other lunacies from the table. So you are left with already crowded Android field, or try something new and nascent. Hence WP. Using my Lumia 920 and 620. Great phones!!!
That's how the "silicon valley" hate symbian. They envy it. They couldn't eliminate it so they sent someone from the inside to do the job. Which cost them at least a couple of billions.
MeeGo was unlucky. Mr elop announced lumai 800 3 months after N9. Bu it still sold more than lumai 800 and 900 combined. Such a shame that you rigged the race and didn't let the clear winner win mr. elop.
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2013-08-26
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Originally Posted by Artyom
Samsung's Bada had a larger market share than Windows Phone until it was discontinued.
If tizen successes i will remind you those words.
Samsung have a Tizen app challenge running at the moment with some substantial prizes available, they have a developer conference coming up in San Francisco in October and their own services, S Cloud, are rumoured to be launching next year.
Although HTML5 is the primary focus Tizen will allow developers to create native applications using the old Bada API.
Huawei and LG are also planning Tizen devices.
Despite a staggering marketing budget being lavished on it by MS, NOKIA and AT&T Windows Phone is still 'very small' (to quote Steve Ballmer), I don't think it will be long until its third place starts coming under pressure from Tizen once the devices start hitting the market.
I imagine NOKIA's engineers will be quietly testing Tizen out on the Lumia hardware too. Elop might not have a plan B but hopefully there are a few individuals within NOKIA who are bright enough to be continually assessing their post-Elop options.
Elop is so disrespectful of the company he's running he's never even learned how to correctly pronounce 'NOKIA'.
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2013-08-26
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Elop didn't kill Symbian during Elopcalypse. Nokia had already decided to kill Symbian before Elop took over. The cancellation of S^4 was the real death date for Symbian. Only the fanbois believed Symbian to have a future after that. S^4 cancellation had been decided few months before Elop took over. He just annouced a decision already made before his time.
S^3 never had the chance to compete and it wasn't even supposed to compete with Android. It was originally just a stop gap before S^4, which was supposed to be modernized version of Symbian. Under the Vanjoki plan, S^4 was cancelled and S^3 was to be used until Meego scaled down to cheap products.
You can blame Elop for killing Meego and (especially) for the idiotic decision to replace Meego with WP7 instead of Android, but he isn't the one to blame for Symbian's death. Besides, Symbian was a walking dead anyway. It needed to be put out of it's misery.
S^3 never had the chance to compete and it wasn't even supposed to compete with Android. It was originally just a stop gap before S^4, which was supposed to be modernized version of Symbian. Under the Vanjoki plan, S^4 was cancelled and S^3 was to be used until Meego scaled down to cheap products.
You can blame Elop for killing Meego and (especially) for the idiotic decision to replace Meego with WP7 instead of Android, but he isn't the one to blame for Symbian's death. Besides, Symbian was a walking dead anyway. It needed to be put out of it's misery.
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2013-08-26
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Originally Posted by Rauha
symbian was definitely going to end but it was not dead. a dead os cannot have nearly 40% of market share?
Elop didn't kill Symbian during Elopcalypse. Nokia had already decided to kill Symbian before Elop took over. The cancellation of S^4 was the real death date for Symbian. Only the fanbois believed Symbian to have a future after that. S^4 cancellation had been decided few months before Elop took over. He just annouced a decision already made before his time.
S^3 never had the chance to compete and it wasn't even supposed to compete with Android. It was originally just a stop gap before S^4, which was supposed to be modernized version of Symbian. Under the Vanjoki plan, S^4 was cancelled and S^3 was to be used until Meego scaled down to cheap products.
You can blame Elop for killing Meego and (especially) for the idiotic decision to replace Meego with WP7 instead of Android, but he isn't the one to blame for Symbian's death. Besides, Symbian was a walking dead anyway. It needed to be put out of it's misery.
also it competed with android in most aspects except for the monster hardware which nokia insisted not to put.
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2013-08-26
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Originally Posted by Rauha
There's very little doubt NOKIA would have phased out Symbian and replaced it with some Linux based alternative(s) but once Qt was running right across all NOKIA's devices who would've noticed and who would've cared?
Elop didn't kill Symbian during Elopcalypse. Nokia had already decided to kill Symbian before Elop took over. The cancellation of S^4 was the real death date for Symbian. Only the fanbois believed Symbian to have a future after that. S^4 cancellation had been decided few months before Elop took over. He just annouced a decision already made before his time.
S^3 never had the chance to compete and it wasn't even supposed to compete with Android. It was originally just a stop gap before S^4, which was supposed to be modernized version of Symbian. Under the Vanjoki plan, S^4 was cancelled and S^3 was to be used until Meego scaled down to cheap products.
You can blame Elop for killing Meego and (especially) for the idiotic decision to replace Meego with WP7 instead of Android, but he isn't the one to blame for Symbian's death. Besides, Symbian was a walking dead anyway. It needed to be put out of it's misery.
Carriers would have continued marketing NOKIA phones, users would have carried on buying them and developers would have carried on developing for them. There would have been no 'burning platforms', no huge disruption, no induced collapse, no dumbing-down/locking-down of devices and no association with a toxic third party. On top of that NOKIA would have retained control of their own ecosystem and all revenue from it.
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2013-08-26
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
I think you are delusional that Qt across multiple different OSs would have made these devices competitive. Its the same delusion that Android apps will run seamlessly on Jolla. NO WAY. Even Symbian fragmentation posed great problems for developers. Again, you are a fanboy for unclear reason. Not sure where it hurts and why. I hope someone writes a good history of what truly happened inside the four walls of NOKIA and why the decisions were made they were. I bet we know little of the story.
There's very little doubt NOKIA would have phased out Symbian and replaced it with some Linux based alternative(s) but once Qt was running right across all NOKIA's devices who would've noticed and who would've cared?
Carriers would have continued marketing NOKIA phones, users would have carried on buying them and developers would have carried on developing for them. There would have been no 'burning platforms', no huge disruption, no induced collapse, no dumbing-down/locking-down of devices and no association with a toxic third party. On top of that NOKIA would have retained control of their own ecosystem and all revenue from it.
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2013-08-26
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
Congrats on being the executioner. Your vision would have killed NOKIA immediately. You may be good at execution, but poor at visions.
As did the millions upon millions of people right across the globe who kept buying them.
NOKIA's software had already severely kicked Windows Mobile's balls. All the good software on the Lumias originates from NOKIA. Microsoft, on the other hand, has a toxic reputation for their software.
You do know Windows Phone 7 was really Windows CE, right? 'New and nascent'
I'm an executive director and shareholder of a manufacturing company. We've made much more profit than NOKIA in the time Elop has been in charge. I'm also an executive director and shareholder of another company with a portfolio of residential rental properties in the UK. I'm currently contemplating buying a holiday resort in Cornwall too.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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2013-08-26
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Mr. Delusion,
I think you are delusional that Qt across multiple different OSs would have made these devices competitive. Its the same delusion that Android apps will run seamlessly on Jolla. NO WAY. Even Symbian fragmentation posed great problems for developers. I hope someone writes a good history of what truly happened inside the four walls of NOKIA and why the decisions were made they were. I bet we know little of the story.
LOL what fragmentation? Same hardware and same os. where is the fragmentation in that? on the other hand android is the true example of fragmentation and guess what they still develop with a burning desire.
also qt did it's job very well with maemo meego and symbian. and now with bb os and tizen.
android apps doesn't have to run seamlessly as long as it saves the day
What truly happened has been written quite alot as a response to your delusions.
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2013-08-26
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Lumiaman outed as paid Microsoft Astroturfer?
A Shill?
http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/
The glove fits, reusing earlier quotes as facts, reusing non factual posts from other sites as evidence, slipping in statements as if they are facts based on no evidence and then re using them later as evidence, infiltrating developer social networks, Microsoft has even astroturfed using identities of dead people, they are without shame.
Microsoft were undeniably sleazy and apparently nothing has changed if Lumiaman is anything to go by.
Just saying
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-26 at 15:30.
A Shill?
http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/
The glove fits, reusing earlier quotes as facts, reusing non factual posts from other sites as evidence, slipping in statements as if they are facts based on no evidence and then re using them later as evidence, infiltrating developer social networks, Microsoft has even astroturfed using identities of dead people, they are without shame.
Microsoft were undeniably sleazy and apparently nothing has changed if Lumiaman is anything to go by.
Just saying
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-26 at 15:30.
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