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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by nilchak
And that's the entire issue here.
Hey, lets not take sides here. I am in the TMO camp, but am open to listen to all. I thing we can all make the final judgement call when we ourselves have a device in our hands.
A lot of people apparently use Eldar as a source to decide what they will and won't buy. Him making judgments on unfinished firmware and posting them up as a "review" makes people assume he's got a final review copy, which he does not. Some of the problems he's seen may or may not already be fixed or simply not exist anymore.
WE, the TMO community, will all make our own final judgment calls when we have the machines in our hands... but for some people that will never happen because they based their purchasing decision upon what Eldar presents as a review now. Really, this is the one and only real issue I have with him.
Do you remember the professional movie critic that decided he would download an unfinished workprint edition of a movie (Hulk, maybe Wolverine) and reviewed it even though the special effects were completely missing?
He got canned.
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by nilchak
you cant tell us not to do something if you think what we are doing is valid, that would be asking us to lie about our opinion or like trying to censor it.
So if you are under an NDA, just keep quite and dont belittle the other reviewers who are not under the same NDA - based on review quality.
I understand the Eldar criticism based on his "stolen" device and old software/hardware - thats valid - but at least lend some credence to his review. Thats all.
btw this is only review we on about so its not like we attacking everyone who says bad of n900
it just makes no sense sorry
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by zerojay
I preorder mine after his twits about crashes.
And that's the entire issue here.
A lot of people apparently use Eldar as a source to decide what they will and won't buy.
I respect the guy, i don't worship him as a god.
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2009-09-25
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What i don't understand is every phone is not super duper. Okay, it have crashes so what? Now unless it happens every 4 hours or less then thats a problem and even so my Mytouch 3g force closes like a mofo sometimes but people still hack and use it to make it better. Thats the point of community like this to provide a way for other people to solve out problems. My N95 crashed but i still loved it nonetheless. His review is just a review he's one man and have opinions i didn't read the article and probably won't but at the end of the day you can return you phone if you don't like it. Why is everyone getting so crazy over nothing. Like i said earlier I'm getting this device no matter what because its like the N95 i miss on steroids with a better browser consider me sold!
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by nilchak
...I understand the Eldar criticism based on his "stolen" device and old software/hardware - thats valid - but at least lend some credence to his review. Thats all.
I don't care how he got his device, but I am trying to lend credence to his review... but which one?
As I posted earlier in this thread, the first I heard of him and at that time, the first I heard the purported specs of the N900 was when he supposedly said something to the effect that the N900 would be a "game changer" for Nokia.
When I asked about him in the thread about his pre-announcement review someone replied that he was "the most interesting man in the world" or some-such. Later on someone else reported that Nokia stock price was moving up and others speculated that his "glowing" review was responsible for this.
...then Nokia officially announced the N900 and the specs he reported were pretty much the same. He earned respect in my book at that point.
...then all of sudden he reports of a future Samsung device that will "blow the N900 out of the water".
OK, no pics, no collaboration from other blogs at the time, plus the fact that it will come more than a year after the N900's planned release.
Now all of a sudden, his N900 crashes several times a day.
All I asked is what happened.
No disrespect. I am actually hoping that one of the members who chimed in earlier about knowing him or who considered him to be a colleague would ring him up and ask; Yo Eldar, what's up with that bro? ...and report back to this thread.
Then maybe we can end all this speculation about motive.
I mean for all we know Nokia could have a crack team of unauthorized handset trackers in black helicopters hovering over his location purposely jamming his device...
...it could happen.
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2009-09-25
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For this particular phone, the only review issue I care about is the battery.
Software issues can be fixed at some point, if apps crash I can write my own to replace. The hardware specs are adequate enough to last at least 2 years with the current software advancements.
However the battery is the real deal breaker. This is something that cannot be changed and software optimization can only go so far.
With 3G and no wifi can the phone last from 9am to 12am with 15-20% battery left with
- instant email
- facebook status every A mins (will it share the email internet connection?)
- B hours music
- C mins surfing
- D mins video
What are A,B,C,D or perhaps put it another way, is the battery usage at least HALF as good as the E71/E72?
I would not be surprised if the first reviewer to give negative battery results will be flamed and tarred alive!
Software issues can be fixed at some point, if apps crash I can write my own to replace. The hardware specs are adequate enough to last at least 2 years with the current software advancements.
However the battery is the real deal breaker. This is something that cannot be changed and software optimization can only go so far.
With 3G and no wifi can the phone last from 9am to 12am with 15-20% battery left with
- instant email
- facebook status every A mins (will it share the email internet connection?)
- B hours music
- C mins surfing
- D mins video
What are A,B,C,D or perhaps put it another way, is the battery usage at least HALF as good as the E71/E72?
I would not be surprised if the first reviewer to give negative battery results will be flamed and tarred alive!
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by YoDude
You know, he didn't existed before you heard of him. I think whether you heard of him or not is so irrelevant. He's well known reviewer. He didn't become famous because of his pre-released review.
As I posted earlier in this thread, the first I heard of him and at that time, the first I heard the purported specs of the N900 was when he supposedly said something to the effect that the N900 would be a "game changer" for Nokia.
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...then all of sudden he reports of a future Samsung device that will "blow the N900 out of the water".
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OK, no pics, no collaboration from other blogs at the time, plus the fact that it will come more than a year after the N900's planned release.
Of course it's sudden because he reports about device for 2011. and he wants to describe it in a few words. Blowing out N900 out of the water says very much about how good something is, right? How many people do you know on the internet that have that kind of connections and that kind of insight in future of mobile phones?
No pics, of course, he wouldn't show us N920 pics because he doesn't want to harm companies that much. If you're going to say "and what about N900!?" - he did a preview week before it's official announcement and said he thinks he cannot harm it that way. He had a N900 from May, so he could do it much much earlier if he wanted to do as much damage as he can. About device for 2011. - other blogs don't know that stuff.
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2009-09-25
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Several people have already stated that with the new firmware that with wifi always on and some moderate to heavy use the battery gets between 12-13 hours. Thats pretty damn good in my opinion.
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by sevla
I can't say that. My iPhone just had a whole slew of issues with the 2.2.1 to 3.0 upgrade and once again (a new phone) with the 3.0 to 3.1 upgrade. Even after restoring and treating it like a new phone, I was having probs.
I assume that was sarcasm? I hope it doesn't crash as much as he says. My iPhone almost never crashed and any phone I have I expect to operate in similar fashion.
After yet another new phone, it's finally acting right. It would go straight to the bootup Apple screen intermittently.
The whole "Windows crashes" part... I've been an Windows admin since the NT 3.51 days and my personal machines don't crash like that. In fact, my Win2k3 Server and Windows Vista machines both have 3 years and close to zero crashes. You have to properly admin the machines.
My N810, had one crash that ticked me off - and it was entirely my fault. I interrupted an install... oops.
This person's N900 crashing? Well, prove it. I'm not saying it might not/could not happen. I would honestly love some proof for once.
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Sorry about the attitude, i was pissed off because reading all that crap.